Joe DeFuria
Legend
Clarification needed here Rev!
Is this "high-end" in Today's standard, due out for release in 1 year, and then delayed another 12 months?
STM pulls the plug on Kyro
- Thread starter rake
- Start date
Clarification needed here Rev!
Is this "high-end" in Today's standard, due out for release in 1 year, and then delayed another 12 months?
On 2002-02-08 17:54, Joe DeFuria wrote:
What's today's "standard"?Clarification needed here Rev!
Is this "high-end" in Today's standard, due out for release in 1 year, and then delayed another 12 months?
As far as I'm concerned, I only want a PS and VS 1.1 chip that can run as fast as however many shader effects I want plus 4xOGSS in a single level in a game.
Hellbinder
Banned
Who said anything about Nvidia buying STM???
STM is SELLING off ImagineTech.
IMO Nvidia would be very interested in what they have to offer. So would ATi, S3graphics Etc...
And yes I made a mental error about SEGA. IT was NEC. OOPS.
STM is SELLING off ImagineTech.
IMO Nvidia would be very interested in what they have to offer. So would ATi, S3graphics Etc...
And yes I made a mental error about SEGA. IT was NEC. OOPS.
No they are NOT, they can not sell what they do not own in the first place. ST holds a license to use PowerVR Series Technology in the PC market segment. They do not own the IP or the technology, they just have the permission to use the technology.
The only thing for sale is the ST PC Graphics Products Division (GPD) (www.st.com and kyro.st.com). Not Imagination Technologies (www.imgtec.com) or its PowerVR division (www.powervr.com and http://www.pvrdev.com).
K-
<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Kristof on 2002-02-08 18:13 ]</font>
<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Kristof on 2002-02-08 18:15 ]</font>
Musivarius
Newcomer
I thought it was a picture of how Teasy's you-know-what might look like in the future...
Hellbinder
Banned
WELL. Thats great news and im glad i had it all wrong.
This really is not that big of a deal then. There are many other possible licencees.
I made a big deal out of it because Thats the "gist" I got from reading posts about it on various forums. My bad.
At most this will only delay their next card.
[reverend]
That seems to be a common theme when cutting IT some slack. Everyone knows what todays "standards" are. They are not open for personal interpretation. Standards are what 90% of the industry expects, developers, vendors and consumers.
That is why STM only made 15 Million. Release a product that meets todays *understood* standards and that number will doubble or tripple the first year.
<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Hellbinder[CE] on 2002-02-08 19:05 ]</font>
This really is not that big of a deal then. There are many other possible licencees.
I made a big deal out of it because Thats the "gist" I got from reading posts about it on various forums. My bad.
At most this will only delay their next card.
[reverend]
That seems to be a common theme when cutting IT some slack. Everyone knows what todays "standards" are. They are not open for personal interpretation. Standards are what 90% of the industry expects, developers, vendors and consumers.
That is why STM only made 15 Million. Release a product that meets todays *understood* standards and that number will doubble or tripple the first year.
<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Hellbinder[CE] on 2002-02-08 19:05 ]</font>
:rollseyes:
Anyway, back on topic: Can anyone explain to me how the hell the transition from STM to Cpmpany X could be so smooth that we'll have a nice working Kyro III with solid drivers and support on the market by fall? Does people think that the whole STM-staff just move in a new office over night and work on with a few hours delay?
Tsk, tsk, tsk folks!
Regards, LeStoffer
Anyway, back on topic: Can anyone explain to me how the hell the transition from STM to Cpmpany X could be so smooth that we'll have a nice working Kyro III with solid drivers and support on the market by fall? Does people think that the whole STM-staff just move in a new office over night and work on with a few hours delay?
Tsk, tsk, tsk folks!
Regards, LeStoffer
Well STM don't deal with drivers (IMGTEC do) so this won't effect drivers in any way AFAICS. Secondly Kyro III AFAIK is more or less finished and just needs the 0.13 micron process. So why wouldn't a new company be able to take control of the division and put Kyro III on 0.13 micron by fall? (which is September right?). It'd be the same technicians dealing with Kyro III, just under a new management. Surely it wouldn't take the new management that long to get everything up and running again? Also if Kyro III was being held back by waiting for 0.13 micron then changing management might not even slow down Kyro III at all. In fact if Kyro III was being held back by a lack of ambition from STM (not putting much priority into making it) then a new company taking charge could actually speed up Kyro III's release. I'm not saying that IMO this is a good thing (STM selling its GD) but one thing is for sure, its not necessarily a bad thing. It could even be a very good thing, and it doesn't have to mean that Kyro III will be delayed. It all depends on who takes over and what state Kyro III is in currently.
<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Teasy on 2002-02-08 19:28 ]</font>
Okay, I didn't know that the drivers was done by ImgTec (a very important point). But we don't know whether it'd be the same technicians: Maybe they wont move, maybe they get others job offer a STM etc. Sure we can keep on hoping but my gut feeling just tells me that we'll have a delay which will shift the competition out of Kyro IIIs favor.
Regards, LeStoffer
A purchaser of a grpahics business will want the staff - relocating will mean you are more than likely too loose many. A buyer would more than likely keep them in the same location, even the same office where possible IMO.
Driver development is undertaken by PowerVR anyway so that wouldn't be affected if any buyer is going to continue to make PowerVR products based on PowerVR designs.
I really don't see how a fall release can be all the beneficial for PVR and the "Kyro 3." Perhaps they can hold things over for a while with another stepped-up Kyro 2, but I don't think that it will work for long.
Besides... By the time "Kyro 3" would roll out in the fall, the nVidia GeForce 5 would be pretty close to making it's way out the door in the winter. I have hope in the PowerVR technology, but I have never dreamed that IMG would be that ambitious that their chips were that powerful. I was kinda thinking that they would aim for a product to take on nVidia's performance line, not the value line. I wouldn't have a problem paying $150-$200 for a PowerVR card if it would top everything on nVidia's current list. I just don't see that happening if they keep delaying the release of their products. PowerVR development is just too slow. We all know that the Kyro 2 can keep up with the GeForce 2 line of cards, but will Kyro 3 be ready to tackle the GeForce 4 or even GeForce 5?
I don't care about competition, but all of the businesses have to remain competitive, and I just don't see Imagination being aggressive enough. Maybe that is the trick to their success, but they sure do give everyone a lot of doubts. Heck; a lot of people are starting to speculate weather or not there will even be a Kyro 3. This has been happening even before the arrival of this recent news.
Here's hoping for a new PVR product soon, and many more after that. I, however, am getting doubtful that we will see anything soon.
<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: zborgerd on 2002-02-08 19:38 ]</font>
Besides... By the time "Kyro 3" would roll out in the fall, the nVidia GeForce 5 would be pretty close to making it's way out the door in the winter. I have hope in the PowerVR technology, but I have never dreamed that IMG would be that ambitious that their chips were that powerful. I was kinda thinking that they would aim for a product to take on nVidia's performance line, not the value line. I wouldn't have a problem paying $150-$200 for a PowerVR card if it would top everything on nVidia's current list. I just don't see that happening if they keep delaying the release of their products. PowerVR development is just too slow. We all know that the Kyro 2 can keep up with the GeForce 2 line of cards, but will Kyro 3 be ready to tackle the GeForce 4 or even GeForce 5?
I don't care about competition, but all of the businesses have to remain competitive, and I just don't see Imagination being aggressive enough. Maybe that is the trick to their success, but they sure do give everyone a lot of doubts. Heck; a lot of people are starting to speculate weather or not there will even be a Kyro 3. This has been happening even before the arrival of this recent news.
Here's hoping for a new PVR product soon, and many more after that. I, however, am getting doubtful that we will see anything soon.
<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: zborgerd on 2002-02-08 19:38 ]</font>