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I don't think someone who didn't like the first could like the second, even considering the fact that it is better in some things.
Steam, Origin, Epic, Twitch, Good*, *Games Sales [2007-2021]
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I don't think someone who didn't like the first could like the second, even considering the fact that it is better in some things.
But there are not even 5 publishers that want their own service ;\ And only Valve requires You to run app all the time, so if i dont want to have any app running in background i should stop buying Steam and Steamworks games by that logic?
Its same valid argument as if Valve got monopoly, PC games would cost 300$, its just ridiculous.
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you dint stop already?
I play the few games I got from Steam via an Emu, that way atleast I dont get a message that Windows aint responding for a few seconds.
Not getting that far since we still got retail, but you already see where things are goin with Crysis2 getting kicked of Steam - its either fully Steam or lose alot of potential sales.
I said "fully Steam", and in the case of Crisis 2 it was kicked cause it had an own DLC menu ingame - as in not using steam for everything.
Call it whatever you wont, Steam is certainly the most picky distributor in many regards (except maybe for ensuring old games they sell even run on newer OSes).
are they exclusively on Steam?
The only games I own on Steam are Valves games that - well - wont likely every be available elsewhere. for that I agree that you have no choice... and I am complaining very loud about that from my basement of solitude!!!! (and really try not to buy anything from steam which might have little more impact)
I have bought several games from Impulse/Gamestop, Origin, GoG and Gamersgate. Steam gets a lot of fanboys due to its social features, mainly for multiplayer games. The other stores don't really do this. I don't really care about that stuff personally but I can see how certain gamers, perhaps making up the majority, would clamor for it.
GoG, Gamersgate and Impulse don't require a background service to be running but the games themselves sometimes have their own stuff of course.
There most definitely are still stores with EA games. Steam is requiring things that restrict what companies can sell and I can't see how that is good for anybody other than Steam.
GoG, Gamersgate and Impulse don't require a background service to be running but the games themselves sometimes have their own stuff of course.
There most definitely are still stores with EA games. Steam is requiring things that restrict what companies can sell and I can't see how that is good for anybody other than Steam.
Yeah, so what? It doesn't matter if it's running because all it does is just sitting there in the background like any number of background processes. You don't ever even have to see it, you can choose to not open the client; there will be no window. You can hide the taskbar icon as well.
All it does is keep your games updated for you, is that such a horrific crime, pray tell?
Besides, Origin is headed the same way. You're going to have to keep that one too open all the time.
That logic's completely fucked up. And irrational. Why wouldn't you want it running?
Are you seriously postulating that if Steam had 100% PC monopoly (as in, not even retail?), PC games would inflate to Neo*Geo levels in price??? Ludicrous!
Valve is acutely aware of the relationship between price and sales. They're probably the most price-aware retailer in the market right now and have been for years. That's why they're having big sales drives regularly, and why they're having special deals on specific titles daily.
You have no basis for making such a claim. No basis at all!
AFAIK C2 wasn't kicked off of Steam, it was EA that yanked it, voluntarily. Why? Well they had their own pissy reason (the complaint about the DLC), but the reality is they wanted more leverage for their own competing service, Origin. What a travesty of a name...
Really? Lets say for instance that Valve demands that all DLC made available on other platforms or physical for a game also has to be made available via Steam ... obviously that's good for Steam, but to say it's not good for anybody else is stupid ... it's good for existing Steam customers as well.
Now what Valve is really demanding is up in the air, but I imagine it's a whole lot less sinister than what EA is implying (not because I trust Valve that much, but because I trust EA less).
PS. I use Steam as a platform of last resort if I can't find better deals elsewhere, except Origin ... I can do without that one.
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As far as I'm concerned. Buying DLC through Steam has been a LOT, and I mean, a LOT less painful than buying DLC through other services including the comapies making the games.
There's no codes to enter, no downloads to keep track of, no executives to run, no need to worry about remember where my DLC is, etc. I just order it and done. It's so painless and nice not to have to worry about all the mundane shit I used to have to worry about with retail disks or with some DLC done independantly of Steam.
Same goes for patching. I like that Steam keeps all my games automatically up to date with the latest patches. Although sometimes if I'm in an MMO, the background downloads of the patches might be annoying, but it's easy enough to just pause all downloads then.
Basically, Steam makes PC gaming so convenient and hassle free.
Speaking of which, I don't buy DLC that isn't sold through Steam anymore either, just because I like not having to worry about any of that other shit. Just buy it and play it.
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SB
There's no codes to enter, no downloads to keep track of, no executives to run, no need to worry about remember where my DLC is, etc. I just order it and done. It's so painless and nice not to have to worry about all the mundane shit I used to have to worry about with retail disks or with some DLC done independantly of Steam.
Same goes for patching. I like that Steam keeps all my games automatically up to date with the latest patches. Although sometimes if I'm in an MMO, the background downloads of the patches might be annoying, but it's easy enough to just pause all downloads then.
Basically, Steam makes PC gaming so convenient and hassle free.
Speaking of which, I don't buy DLC that isn't sold through Steam anymore either, just because I like not having to worry about any of that other shit. Just buy it and play it.
Regards,
SB
Yeah, those damn executives, I know exactly what you mean... Always demanding VIP treatment, limos, business class tickets, if not private jets altogether! RUNNING anywhere? Not on your life.
They gotta move more than a hundred steps on foot they want a fucking Segway to ride for chrissakes...
Silent_Buddha
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Bah...executables, there...are you happy?
Regards,
SB
Regards,
SB
And they want their own icons
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=57885
Spent ages making an icl file (icon library) to speed up opening my games folder. Then i move to win 7 and it doesnt bloody support icl files
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=57885
Spent ages making an icl file (icon library) to speed up opening my games folder. Then i move to win 7 and it doesnt bloody support icl files
After re reading the link in my previous post no one attempted part 12 of the competition
give it a go (consider it religious study)
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=57885&page=3
give it a go (consider it religious study)
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=57885&page=3
Skyrim, Just Cause 2, Renegade Ops, Deus Ex, Sanctum, L4D2, Duke Nukem Forever, Dark Messiah of Might and magic are all Steamworks games, so they require Steam to work, only game that i could buy in retail and avoid Steam was X Gold Box, but it was the same price as in retail, so i just grabbed it with others.
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Its ok, when the DLC goes through Valve's servers, but when it doesnt, like in many new EA games, its not ok to take 30% cut on every transaction and thats probably what that whole argue is about.
EA want to maximize profit and use their system and Valve want total control over games on their platform, both are right.
I personally think that EA [or any other publisher/developer] should have a choice to support a game however they want and Valve shouldnt restrict how they want to communicate with clients. They dont have a right to force on developers/publishers software mechanics even if they arent good/better than proposed. Publisher/developer should always have creative freedom on every aspect of their software.
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Why would I? I dont use any of its social/game features, i make screens with fraps without compression, i use IRC, GG and Teamspeak/Ventrilo for much better communication, so whats left?
There is not a single feature that makes me want to use Steam daily, not even one, so why should i turn it on, except for launching games?
No, its not a crime, but i dont like it and i wont never like it. Why should i have an app running in background that i dont need/use, whats the purpose?
And Origin is not going the same route, there is only one game that requires it to run constantly and i'm quite ok with it, because its 'online only' for me [i dont care for SP in BF games], but other EA games i have, dont require from me to run Origin except for installation purposes and ME 3 will be the same, same will be with Kingdoms of Amalur, so no, Origin is not going the same direction as Steam.
I can agree with running Steam for playing Counter Strike Source, but having to run every time i want to play Skyrim is just plain stupid and always will be for me.
Wow, Do You really believe that conspiracy theory?
Why Guild Wars 2 wont be on steam, or any Mania game? Or Minecraft? Do You really think they dont know Steam or because they cant get it working because of some restrictions?
So You didnt understand my post at all, nice ... I said that, because it is as ridiculous argument as claim that there will be 40 DD exclusive shops from different publishers.
And about sales, many other services [Origin included] have similar sales and most of those sales are because publishers make them! Valve cant decide prices for games without publisher/developer decision, so You should thank publishers/developer for those promotions, not Valve.
And about being price aware, they still ignore many markets. They dont know even that Poland exist, they dont even sell Skyrim in my 'region', not even mentioning that they dont include my currency in transactions... Even Ubisoft care more for my market than Valve.
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