Sony @ E3

[rabidrabbit]

Hehe......I remember those "PS2 is gonna cost $700" stories simply because it had a DVD drive; can play DVD right out of the box.

No but it cost close to 500$ and was sold at a launch and did not render ff tsw in real time like was claimed or the toy story claims or the OMG i'm george lucas and we are going to use ps2s to render the next star wars movie crap that was going around at launch

None of the consoles lived up to their marketing hype pr specs, it's 100% they'll do it again this time.
Sony wasn't the only one claiming Toy Story graphics, remember
There's no need to bring that again in this discussion. We should keep in topic before mods lock this thread too for descending into Sony bash

 

[pahcman]

the toy hype thing was bring up because one guy happily thought sony did impossible of pricing ps2 cheaper than thought.

well, already say, the sky high ps2 price thought was more due to super computing EE+GS GCI hyped than including a dvd drive. now is de javu with cell + br.

 

[pahcman]

anyway i wont surprise of ps3 no br but a umd. as how now kutagari powers are controlled within. so no more crazy decisions.

the silly video war still not settle, any one will be a risk taking one side. sony is financially strong enough to take risks now?

 

[Fafalada]

well, already say, the sky high ps2 price thought was more due to super computing EE+GS GCI hyped than including a dvd drive.

What I remember back then it was all about expensive DVD drive and "premium price" RDRam that people were crying about...
Definately is a deja-vu now with BR and XDR.

Curious though, how is UMD a sensible decision for PS3? 12cm UMD media does not exist yet, neither do the drives, hence it'd be anything but cheap to manufacture either of them.
And a drive that has to read caddy and normal discs probably isn't the most reliable thing with all the extra mechanical parts...

 

[pahcman]

i think umd use red lazer so the manufacture fault is less than blue lazer.
umd have also 128bit encryting already. umd sound like sce backup plan if br is a no go. that what i guess.

for the past it was the EE+GS im sure. for me at least. suddenly cpu power jump xxx CGI quality fold. wow! and we are also including a dvd drive! that seem unpossible.

 

[rabidrabbit]

UMD's have quite a bit lower capacity than DVD's. Why on earth wouldn't they just stick to DVD's instead of going for an inferior format

 

[Fafalada]

UMD's have quite a bit lower capacity than DVD's.

Capacity is proportional to disc surface area. Scale the UMD up to 12cm size of a standard DVD and you'll find that the capacity per layer should actually be slightly larger then that of DVD-5.

That's why I remarked about extra cost for the larger discs and drive. And obviously you NEED a 12cm drive in there if you want DVD and PS2 compatibility.

I think umd use red lazer so the manufacture fault is less than blue lazer.

It doesn't change the fact that you would be manufacturing a new type of drive, along with new media.
It's likely that early on it would be more expensive then just using standard DVD drive, with virtually identical capacity and most likely considerably slower speed.

 

[BOOMEXPLODE]

AFAIK there are studios working hard on current PS3 dev kits (so no final GPU..) to show something.
Dunno if just demos or playable games..

B...but how can they show anything if its non-final HW with no GPU!?

I say pre-renders done on PC.

After they are posted, this forum will spend about one week or more arguing over whether the dev kit is involved at all in their creation, whether it qualifies as 'indication of final performance', blah blah blah.

I wonder if the current dev kits have an NV45 or something similar for the GPU...they must, unless it's all just software simulation, which would be incredibly slow.

Oh and I hope Sony gets some pricing pressure from MS. I'd love to be able to pick up a PS3 at launch for ~$300!

 

[Mythos]

Oh and I hope Sony gets some pricing pressure from MS. I'd love to be able to pick up a PS3 at launch for ~$300!

It may look that you may get pressured to buy the premium spec. machine for $400.

 

[BOOMEXPLODE]

I doubt it...the only thing I want a PS3 for is to play PS3 games. Tivo, WebTV, playing movies, or any similar functionality doesn't interest me. Assuming they use memory sticks for save games, I wouldn't even have to buy a memory card. *crosses fingers*

 

[hey69]

jack daxter first person shooter

Nope, you got that one wrong. Insomniac (developers of Ratchet & Clank) are working on a very high budget, high profile FPS game, however, it's almost certainly not based on Ratchet and Clank characters or universe.

edit: rumour: NO bleuray in ps3 ***

Really? :\ Where did you hear that?

from the person who is invited by tecmo to play as one of the few DOA4
but as i said , it's a rumour
( i have a lot of rumours but i dont want to past here every bit I hear, eventough 75% comes out in the end)

 

[rabidrabbit]

It is likely that the first PS3 games will come on DVD's, even if the PS3 had Blu-Ray, as first PS2 games came on CDs and only a couple of months after they started arriving on DVD's.

 

[London Geezer]

It is likely that the first PS3 will come on DVD's, even if the PS3 had Blu-Ray, as first PS2 games came on CDs and only a couple of months after they started arriving on DVD's.

Some games were on DVD at launch, and come games were still on CD a few months into PS2's life.

When the devs feel they need the extra space, they'll switch...

 

[rabidrabbit]

I don't remember any games being on DVD at lEU aunch, the first game that comes to my mind was either Z.O.E or Shadow of Memories and they were launched three or four months later.

 

[London Geezer]

I don't remember any games being on DVD at lEU aunch, the first game that comes to my mind was either Z.O.E or Shadow of Memories and they were launched three or four months later.

Fantavision was on DVD. Whether it actually needed the space provided by DVD or not is up for discussion, but it was on DVD. Maybe even SSX, not sure about it.

 

[rabidrabbit]

Ah, ok then. I never played Fantavision.
SSX was on CD, I can still hear the whirrr in my ears

 

[London Geezer]

Ah, ok then. I never played Fantavision.
SSX was on CD, I can still hear the whirrr in my ears

Summoner was a launch game in the US (not Europe), and that was on DVD, it was huge.. Loved that game.

 

[DuckThor Evil]

Nope, you got that one wrong. Insomniac (developers of Ratchet & Clank) are working on a very high budget, high profile FPS game, however, it's almost certainly not based on Ratchet and Clank characters or universe.

Quessing is not needed. Your info is incorrect.


http://ps2.ign.com/articles/602/602513p1.html

 

[London Geezer]

Man, a FPS based on R&C/JAK technology will look gorgeous on PS2...

 

[London Geezer]

Nope, you got that one wrong. Insomniac (developers of Ratchet & Clank) are working on a very high budget, high profile FPS game, however, it's almost certainly not based on Ratchet and Clank characters or universe.

Quessing is not needed. Your info is incorrect.


http://ps2.ign.com/articles/602/602513p1.html

I think Marco was talking about another game, that one's not a FPS.