Shinobi gets 6/10 in PSM
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marconelly!
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They are not fake. Several persons who have received their EGM have confrmed them, as well as an EGM editor that frequents GA board.
BenSkywalker
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JKII didn't even land a silver....?
EGM's review scores a certainly becoming less and less relevant to me. A "game" like GTA3 lands a platinum(IIRC, although it may have been a gold) based on pure concept and no gameplay, and JKII isn't worthy of a silver? Serious Sam landing a 3.5..? Harry Potter is a better game then TimeSplitters2 for the Cube...?
EGM seems to be missing something in their reviews lately, like taste.
EGM's review scores a certainly becoming less and less relevant to me. A "game" like GTA3 lands a platinum(IIRC, although it may have been a gold) based on pure concept and no gameplay, and JKII isn't worthy of a silver? Serious Sam landing a 3.5..? Harry Potter is a better game then TimeSplitters2 for the Cube...?
EGM seems to be missing something in their reviews lately, like taste.
marconelly! said:
If that's the case then EGM has definitely gone down the crapper. GTA3 got 9.3 from EGM, and its sequel, that's for the most part a facelifted version, gets perfect 10? This is quiet illogical, even biased. Most reviews score sequels harder than the original, and rarely do any game gets a 10 from a major independent gaming site/magazine like EGM. I still feel that these scores are fake. I guess only a EGM in my hand (or from many many people online
) can convince me otherwise.marconelly!
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The game had more gameplay than most other games last year combined. If you didn't liked it, that's fine. Reviewers and gamers, almost uniformly did. I don't feel like discussing this again.
To me, your statement is illogical. If it's a better game, it should have better score. Simple as that. GT2 got straight tens from EGM, while GT1 didn't, for example. Why? It was a better game, of course.
Logan Leonhart
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nonamer said:
The only biased person is you. That statement shows you know nothing about GTA:VC.
I agree with Nonamer, sequals are usually rated harder then the original game.
Look at SM64, it got such high scores not just because it was a wonderful game but because it took Mario from 2d to 2d so well. SMS couldn't do anything as revolutionary as that (its impossible as its already in 3d) and look at its scores, all round a little worse then SM64, despite the fact that SMS is a better game then SM64.
Similarly GTA3 took the GTA series from a top down game to a full 3d world, that alone was a massive boost to its scores, it made a massive impact on people, because nobody had done that with this sort of game before. But Vice City won't have the same impact from its 3d world, it can be a better game then GTA3 and still will likely not get better scores all round.
Look at SM64, it got such high scores not just because it was a wonderful game but because it took Mario from 2d to 2d so well. SMS couldn't do anything as revolutionary as that (its impossible as its already in 3d) and look at its scores, all round a little worse then SM64, despite the fact that SMS is a better game then SM64.
Similarly GTA3 took the GTA series from a top down game to a full 3d world, that alone was a massive boost to its scores, it made a massive impact on people, because nobody had done that with this sort of game before. But Vice City won't have the same impact from its 3d world, it can be a better game then GTA3 and still will likely not get better scores all round.
marconelly!
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Actually, most people I know disagree. I'm not a Mario fan so I didn't bothered memorizing their complaints, but things I remember are the lack of that freedom and cohesiveness that M64 had. Apparenltly SMS has invisible walls everywhere.
They'd likely change there minds if they actually want back and played SM64 after playing SMS. There's allot of nostalgia for the first ever 3d platformer that can cloud people's memories (which is what I mean about sequels getting marked harder then the original). As in the sheer impact seeing Mario in 3d for the first time had on them makes it almost unbeatable in there memories.
Invisible walls?, hmm, not sure what they could mean there.
Invisible walls?, hmm, not sure what they could mean there.
BenSkywalker
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I would hate to have your game library if you think GTA3 had shining gameplay.
marconelly!
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It's been 5(6?) years? Rules change. Appetites grow. Does that mean that we should go back and halve the score every 10 year old game? M64 was so much better in it's time than anything from the genre (or so I'm told, again, never cared much about it) Today SMS fails to raise the bar as much.
marconelly!
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And I would hate to ever grow as bitter and jaded as you seem to be.
GTA3 got shining reviews and excellent sales. Live with it.
BenSkywalker
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I'm not jaded nor bitter. In the last six months I can only think of two titles that I regret picking up, Morrowind(which would have been quite good if not for the bugs) and GTA3. I have a pretty even split in terms of rating games above and below the GR average(certainly not because I try, that's just how it works out).
Same with Black&White and MaxPayne. Doesn't change how bad they are as games. ID4 grossed ~$300Million, doesn't change the fact that it is piss poor by any reasonable objective measures.
You've just proven my point. SMS gets worse scores simply because its not as revolutionary as SM64. Sm64 was the first 3d platformer, exactly how could SMS possibly be anywhere near as big a jump over SM64 as SM64 was over all other Mario games and indeed all other platformers? The simple answer is it couldn't be. So its marked as worse despite it actually being a better game. Which brings me to GTA3:VC, do you really think Vice City can be as big an improvement over GTA3 as GTA3 was over GTA2? GTA3 had the impact of being GTA2 improved and in a 3d worls, what's GTA3:VC going to be, GTA3 improved.. that's it. I don't know, maybe the fact that there isn't such a big time gap between GTA3 and GTA3:VC may allow people not to be quite so unreasonably hyped, but I still wouldn't be suprised to see GTA3:VC get a worse overall score then GTA3.
I agree more with marconelly. GTA3 was and is a very good game. Although I don't think the game itself deserved quite as high as score as it got. I feel some of that high score was just the impact of the GTA2 in 3d wow factor.
I'm not sure about B&W but I cannot agree less with your opinion on Max Payne
I thought it was one of the best games of all time!.. the atmosphere was tremendous, thanks to the excellent story telling. The visuals were really great, and action was brilliant, I never got sick of shooting people , and the slow mo bit just added something wonderful to the game IMO. Possibly my second favourite game of all time behind Fallout 2 (either MP or Goldeneye anyway).marconelly!
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I think you are misconstructing my words here. I was not saying that M64 got such appraisals because it was so much better over other, older Mario games, but becasue it was much better than the games of it's time (Crash and whatnot...) Is SMS that much better than the games of it's time (Sly Cooper, J&D)? I don't know, but I guess people don't seem to think so.
The thing with GTA:VC is, there was nothing in the meantime that upped the ante. They are upping themselves, actually.
Max Payne a bad game? I don't think so, and Teasy listed some positive things with which I agree. As for B&W, most gamers thought it was abysimal. As for ID4, most reviews marked it as a terrible movie.
Not so with GTA3. It shares appraisal among both gamers and reviewers.
Mr. Angry Pants
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GTA3 became boring and repetative three hours into the game just like GTA1 and GTA2 did. I don't know why, but I could never stick with a GTA game. Maybe it's because I have trouble relating to a sociopathic murderer. Perhaps a part of me wants to reject a game that is fast on its way to becoming the cause of sweeping censorship across the industry.
One day some kid will run over a bunch of high schoolers with his daddy's car, shoot a police officer who tries to arrest him, and then drown in a river because for some strange reason he is completely incapable of swimming at his age and has all the buoyancy of a large rock. And then they'll find a video tape of this whacked out anti-social who was probably bullied and outcast all his life by the same people who are now shocked by what he did. And then, "It'll be just like GRAND THEFT AUTO 3 FOR THE PLAYSTATION 2 VIDEO GAME CONSOLE!! DID YOU HEAR ME?? VIDEO GAME CONSOLE!!" will be broadcasted 24/7 nationwide. And then the hammer will come down on the freedom of speech.
And you all will be in here bitching about how it's not fair.
/rant
Whew! I feel better!
One day some kid will run over a bunch of high schoolers with his daddy's car, shoot a police officer who tries to arrest him, and then drown in a river because for some strange reason he is completely incapable of swimming at his age and has all the buoyancy of a large rock. And then they'll find a video tape of this whacked out anti-social who was probably bullied and outcast all his life by the same people who are now shocked by what he did. And then, "It'll be just like GRAND THEFT AUTO 3 FOR THE PLAYSTATION 2 VIDEO GAME CONSOLE!! DID YOU HEAR ME?? VIDEO GAME CONSOLE!!" will be broadcasted 24/7 nationwide. And then the hammer will come down on the freedom of speech.
And you all will be in here bitching about how it's not fair.
/rant
Whew! I feel better!
Actually SM64, and so all its reviews, were out before games like Crash, SM64 was the first 3d platformer AFAIR.
Also I said "how could SMS possibly be anywhere near as big a jump over SM64 as SM64 was over all other Mario games and indeed all other platformers?". SM64 was a huge jump over all platformers before it because it took platforming into 3d and did it extremely well (like GTA3 took that type of game into 3d). Therefore SMS could never do anything as revolutionary as that and so was rated worse even though its a better game. GTA3:VC will not do anything as revolutionary as bringing to series into a full 3d world, so its likely it won't get as good an overall score.
IMO nothing until SMS upped the anti over SM64 either, better visuals yeah, but not better games.
The fact is though a GTA style game in full 3d is no longer "OMG how cool, I've never seen this done before... ect ect", its old hate now with GTA3 and Mafia. I have no doubt that GTA3:VC will be a better game then GTA3, but just as you said earlier:
"I was not saying that M64 got such appraisals because it was so much better over other, older Mario games, but becasue it was much better than the games of it's time (Crash and whatnot...) Is SMS that much better than the games of it's time (Sly Cooper, J&D)?"
Well GTA3 was SO much better then any similar game of its time (GTA2), partly because of a full 3d world. Will GTA3:VC be similarly better then the more current games of its type (Mafia and GTA3)?.. deffinately not, mainly because the leap to full 3d has already been made in GTA3.
Oh yeah, because relating to Koompa stomping Italian plumbers, blue hedgehogs and integalactic Marine Soldiers is so much easier.....Sorry Mr. Angry Pants, but your anger has led way to blind outlook.
GTA3 mixes a lot of gameplay elements together well......I wouldn't say they are perfect (on foot definitely has problems, driving is great though) but the game has its quality there. Because you don't enjoy it doesn't mean its a bad game...it just means you have bad taste
Kidding.Although I stand firm to the belief that no game deserves a ten (and the fact that EGM's reviews seem questionable lately), I do think that GTA Vice City is getting dogged by some people merely because of its popularity alone and the shock value the series has brought to the public. It's sad really.
Anyway, I think GTA3 is great, if not the greatest..... and I do think that there are people who legitimately don't feel the game has lasting appeal or fun factor. But to bring in political issues to the table as a reason not to like it doesn't make sense. It's been argued to death.
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