Rumor: Xbox 360 CES Announcements Leaked

Open in the sense that the devs can choose the best way to implement their game. e.g., Resistance:Fall of Men is server based and has wonderful online experiences. According to some on GAF, they find the experience more pleasant than P2P Live games
just a point of fact.... Xbox Live game devs can use servers also if they so choose (EA does) :D and I have great results in most of my P2P games.

Also, I really have no problem paying $1 week for my online gaming and all that encompasses XBL and it's many solid, refined and fully integrated features (which also makes it easier for Devs to hook into).

so free (for ME) means absolutely nothing. I understand that money is more important to some but I am a believer in paying for higher quality which is exactly what many claim when they justify the higher price of the PS3 console compared to the 360. ;)
 
A console is only sold once, I highly doubt MS could report replacement units as sales. Funny what people will try to believe sometimes...
What if you define "sold" to mean "shipped out of the central warehouse"? Because for that definition we may have a quote on record from an MS official.

Don't these guys have to hold conference calls like everyone else?

edit re "funny": I agree. Kinda like the people who believed Blue Dragon achieved 100k preorders in Japan, or that the HD-DVD addon sold meaningful numbers.
 
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just a point of fact.... Xbox Live game devs can use servers also if they so choose (EA does) :D and I have great results in most of my P2P games.
Its not just EA - Sega (Chromehounds) and Atari (Test Drive Unlimited) also use their own servers, to name but tow others.

What if you define "sold" to mean "shipped out of the central warehouse"? Because for that definition we may have a quote on record from an MS official.

Don't these guys have to hold conference calls like everyone else?
The lat numbers we saw came from their financials, which meant that they had recognised revenue from them (which would tally with the notion of counting those to disty's as they would have recognised revenue at that point.

or that the HD-DVD addon sold meaningful numbers.
What do you define as "meaningful"?
 
just a point of fact.... Xbox Live game devs can use servers also if they so choose (EA does) :D and I have great results in most of my P2P games.

Also, I really have no problem paying $1 week for my online gaming and all that encompasses XBL and it's many solid, refined and fully integrated features (which also makes it easier for Devs to hook into).

so free (for ME) means absolutely nothing. I understand that money is more important to some but I am a believer in paying for higher quality which is exactly what many claim when they justify the higher price of the PS3 console compared to the 360. ;)

Ah I see. Then for people who play online games, the cost difference between PS3 and Xbox 360 is smaller. As for higher quality, the PS3 comes with a Blu-ray drive built-in and has better build quality (less noise and heat).

Some of the important online features will come to PS3 as promised by Phil this March. And there are also features not found in Xbox 360 too. So I'm ok with the price difference.
 
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Maybe you scould provide some quotes, as I have no idea what you're talking about. They criticised Bluray but that's all, Sony hasn't even put forward a comprehensive overview of what they are planning on doing with regards to digital distribution, so I don't see how MS could be criticizing Sony for something they haven't even defined.

MS has been leading the charge since day 1, with the inclusion of music video's and trailers, streaming audo from PC, supports for MP3's players like IPOD, PVR and video streaming support with windows MC all on day 1, followed by announcements of DirectTV support, followed by announcements of downloadable TV shows, and now the announcement of IPTV.

AFAIK, Sony has shown little more than a few powerpoint slides.

People are a little sick of Sony overpromising without a clear plan to stick to, without a good result on their report card. They were at it since the launch of PS2. They had the time and they had the hardware revisions(PS2, PSTwo, PSX, PSP). It took them until 2006 to have a standard PSN, i hope it is, their head start has all been wasted with the chopping and changing.

Microsoft built the Xbox around the vision of Live, IPTV is another extension of this top notch service and inches closer to their plans for "world domination" ;). So lets not get too critical about this kind of development from MS(everyone favorite company to hate) when the rest have little to show for.
 
MS is a third class citizen when it comes to selling media tho. Apple outsells them easily, as well as every MS device. Apple's iPod *USB charger* outsold the Zune.

Big deal. When has ms tried to sell media in a big way? They're just now feeling into that.
Zune sucks as far as I can tell, ms will probably get pounded on it a while, then wake up and realize they need to offer a better product, lower price, or both to make inroads. Which should have been obvious right away. But ms has so much money they can take their time. Apple OTOH is a company rather dependant on ipod sales, which so far contrary to expectations have not let them down..but I dont know if they'll last forever either.



Please, the only thing Vista has going for it is DX10/games. It took MS what, 6 YEARS to get Longhorn out, meanwhile, most of Vista's features, I've been using for a long time under OS X already. Leopard already has one feature that Vista will never come close to matching and singlehandedly sells the OS to me: ZFS.


Because they're not in the business of selling you yearly $129 OS updates? Thankfully.. It'll dominate like every past ms OS.
 
MS were making the statements about reaching god knows how many people initially, and realisically its LIVE that is going to be doing that in the future, the gaming console is there just as the initial delivery mechanism for live.

I see Live as a giant beta test for software convergence :) And you're now on beta 2.1, on the verge of 2.2 (at least in the US :)). Over here it's still beta 2.

The advantage of starting such a platform on system that is locked down, is that by the time you move it to the open system, you have a significant userbase to help spread the infection. There are loads of systems on the PC that do most of the functionality of live, yet very few have similar usage figures as they all had to start from zero. How many steam friends do you have, for example? :p

As for convergence on the software front, some other examples:

The media centre extender is already rendering with a cut down variant of WPF,
The 360 has an implementation of the .net compact framework in the form of XNA,
Zune is sharing the Gamertag and Points system (Big one that...)
Your gamertag ties down to a Windows Live/passport account
Windows Marketplace (although currently it's more a portal)
Vista+360 demos of Shadowrun, Halo using friend invites on the PC, etc

... There are clearly more, with vista etc. Probably loads we won't know of for a while.

I wouldn't be surprised if eventually, the 360 has a full implementation of the .Net framework 3 (eg, using a generational GC, with WinFX support - probably minus windows forms, etc).
IE7 is heavily tied into WinFX on vista. I see a day when you write a WPF rendered app, communicating with WCF in C# or VB, or whatnot.. Run it through the web in IE, download it on your desktop, or run it on your 360. That in itself I see as more useful than an integrated web browser.

And really, thats what microsoft are good at, software platforms. Say what you will of the 360s hardware, at the end of the day it's the software that makes the system tick.
 
And really, thats what microsoft are good at, software platforms. Say what you will of the 360s hardware, at the end of the day it's the software that makes the system tick.

It's always the total package, as illustrated by Apple. If hardware does not matter, MS would not need to upgrade/revise its box. We may even see some news about the new hardware in the CES keynote (Ok, finally made it back to the topic).
 
What do you define as "meaningful"?
That's the thing, isn't it? Peter Moore thinks round about 40k is totally awesome and above all expectation. I don't. Hence I prefer numbers over adjectives and impressions whenever possible.
 
It's always the total package, as illustrated by Apple. If hardware does not matter, MS would not need to upgrade/revise its box. We may even see some news about the new hardware in the CES keynote (Ok, finally made it back to the topic).

They're making a minor change. It's irrelevant really to most everybody to even have HDMI. HDMI is just a DRM product from the MPAA anyway. It's funny how it' been made out to be so great..realistically it should have "RIAA" stamped on the side.
 
That's the thing, isn't it? Peter Moore thinks round about 40k is totally awesome and above all expectation. I don't. Hence I prefer numbers over adjectives and impressions whenever possible.

40k in Nov.

Sales should have at least doubled in Dec like consoles.

So 120k, minimum, I'd say more like 150 in USA (not sure if it's offered in other territories yet..).

PS3 sold maybe 700k, so it does help ms corporate goals of blunting blu-ray a bit. It's 120k more players out there.

Judging by amazon HDDVD vs Blu Ray sales, people aren't using PS3 as movie player anyway.
 
edit re "funny": I agree. Kinda like the people who believed Blue Dragon achieved 100k preorders in Japan, or that the HD-DVD addon sold meaningful numbers.

Based on actual rumours. In this case, it's people believing something based on absolutely nothing but conjecture. I don't see you guys poo pooing the reported PS3 shipments based on the same logic...unless PS3's are not experiencing defects? Bottom line, it's a meaningless factor to try and include, as we'll never know the amount of units it entails, but it also affects all the manufacturers so can be considered a wash really.

As for HD-DVD, 250,000 standalones sold in 06 according to what I've read. MS sold probably around 150,000 HD-DVD drives in NA. Maybe you can explain to me how a 60% increase in dedicated players is not signifigant.
 
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Ah I see. Then for people who play online games, the cost difference between PS3 and Xbox 360 is smaller. As for higher quality, the PS3 comes with a Blu-ray drive built-in and has better build quality (less noise and overheating).
Good point...
40k in Nov.

Sales should have at least doubled in Dec like consoles.

So 120k, minimum, I'd say more like 150 in USA (not sure if it's offered in other territories yet..).
Too optimistic i think ... Blu laser diodes' manufacturing problems effected both Blu-Ray and HD DVD camps ...
 
40k in Nov.
Yes. It stopped being a problem when market research firms released the actual numbers. The point of the example was mereley that the official stance on anything is always absurdly overstated and isn't worth listening to without a strong bullshit filter.

Based on actual rumours. In this case, it's people believing something based on absolutely nothing but conjecture. I don't see you guys poo pooing the reported PS3 shipments based on the same logic...unless PS3's are not experiencing defects? Bottom line, it's a meaningless factor to try and include, as we'll never know the amount of units it entails, but it also affects all the manufacturers so can be considered a wash really.
I don't believe in that particular wash.
 
At the moment, however Bluray is the only one of the two which has been steadily increasing in sales, whereas HDDVD is stuck.

You mean "stabilised" ? :p

IPTV is obviously the future. As long as it doesn't negatively take the focus on my 360 as a game console, great.
 
That Blu-ray vs HD-DVD thing is going pretty far off topic and I'm sorry for starting it. Can we please get back to [strike]applauding[/strike]discussing the announcement?
 
Do we know when today this announcement will be made? Also, will there be any live streaming of it? I've not really got too involved with CES in the past, but it seems like more than usual is happening this year, at least for the 360
 
Do we know when today this announcement will be made? Also, will there be any live streaming of it? I've not really got too involved with CES in the past, but it seems like more than usual is happening this year, at least for the 360

It happens today @ 6:30 PM (Pacifc Time)

Ms itself will be streaming it, but i dont have the link to their site anymore...

Butttt, i have the asx for the coverage here, and uploaded it

http://rapidshare.com/files/10645499/ces_20070107_500.asx.html
 
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