Revolution Graphics Thread

[Teasy]

Vysez

The article doesn't have to be illegal for Dave to remove the thread. Obviously someone at ATI has told him that the story isn't true so he's done what he thinks is the right thing in removing it. You're probably right that it wasn't the best way to go about it though.

 

[ZoinKs!]

This "damage control" makes it seem more likely that there's some substance to the story.

But I don't get it. All the story says is that GC 2 graphic capabilities won't match Xbox360 or PS3. Didn't we already know (or at least suspect) that?

 

[Fox5]

The Revolution Graphics thread contained a story that, quote, "the comments were not accurate and out of context" and the story has since been removed.

While I can understand Ati asking a site, politely, because there's nothing illegal, to remove/edit a story. I can't on the other hand understand why Ati would ask forums owner to remove discussion threads on the subject...

It's only the Ati rep fault if he discussed a subject he wasn't allowed to.
And when the info is out it's too late to try to make it dissapear. Also, by the way, this "info" was vague as hell "Hollywood is superior to Flipper but doesn't really compare to RSX/Xenos". This info could mean anything...

Revolution is to GameCube what Atomiswave is to Dreamcast?

 

[Megadrive1988]

The Revolution Graphics thread contained a story that, quote, "the comments were not accurate and out of context" and the story has since been removed.

While I can understand Ati asking a site, politely, because there's nothing illegal, to remove/edit a story. I can't on the other hand understand why Ati would ask forums owner to remove discussion threads on the subject...

It's only the Ati rep fault if he discussed a subject he wasn't allowed to.
And when the info is out it's too late to try to make it dissapear. Also, by the way, this "info" was vague as hell "Hollywood is superior to Flipper but doesn't really compare to RSX/Xenos". This info could mean anything...

Revolution is to GameCube what Atomiswave is to Dreamcast?

Atomiswave is pretty much, more or less, the same as NAOMI from 1998/1999 - that is, a Dreamcast chipset with more memory. Atomiswave is not even as powerful as the older NAOMI2 or HIKARU boards.

Revolution should be around three times as powerful as Gamecube, worst case. making Revolution to Gamecube, what NAOMI2 is to NAOMI, If you want to make that kind of comparison (which might end up being valid once we know more about Revolution's chipset). but then again, NAOMI 2 has the same CPU has NAOMI, whereas Revolution is getting a new CPU.

 

[Fox5]

The Revolution Graphics thread contained a story that, quote, "the comments were not accurate and out of context" and the story has since been removed.

While I can understand Ati asking a site, politely, because there's nothing illegal, to remove/edit a story. I can't on the other hand understand why Ati would ask forums owner to remove discussion threads on the subject...

It's only the Ati rep fault if he discussed a subject he wasn't allowed to.
And when the info is out it's too late to try to make it dissapear. Also, by the way, this "info" was vague as hell "Hollywood is superior to Flipper but doesn't really compare to RSX/Xenos". This info could mean anything...

Revolution is to GameCube what Atomiswave is to Dreamcast?

Atomiswave is pretty much, more or less, the same as NAOMI from 1998/1999 - that is, a Dreamcast chipset with more memory. Atomiswave is not even as powerful as the older NAOMI2 or HIKARU boards.

Revolution should be around three times as powerful as Gamecube, worst case. making Revolution to Gamecube, what NAOMI2 is to NAOMI, If you want to make that kind of comparison (which might end up being valid once we know more about Revolution's chipset). but then again, NAOMI 2 has the same CPU has NAOMI, whereas Revolution is getting a new CPU.

I wonder what kind of cpu....honestly I don't think anything IBM has in its profile right now would fit what Nintendo wants. Nintendo could use one of the x360 cores, but I don't think ease of coding is good for what Nintendo wants...plus there's that gamecube backwards compatibility that almost guarantees Nintendo has to be using super up versions of Gamecube's hardware. Hopefully we'll see a custom design for Nintendo, something similar to Apple's G5s.(main difference is it'd have to support the extensions that were added to Gecko)

 

[Urian]

I wonder what kind of cpu....honestly I don't think anything IBM has in its profile right now would fit what Nintendo wants. Nintendo could use one of the x360 cores, but I don't think ease of coding is good for what Nintendo wants...plus there's that gamecube backwards compatibility that almost guarantees Nintendo has to be using super up versions of Gamecube's hardware. Hopefully we'll see a custom design for Nintendo, something similar to Apple's G5s.(main difference is it'd have to support the extensions that were added to Gecko)

The possibility that has more faith from me is PowerPC 970MP custom, running at 1.8Ghz with 600Mhz bus everyone and with 1T-SRAM for the L2 Cache.

 

[MfA]

Do note that Dave isn't saying ATi made/coerced/bribed/etc him into removing the thread.

Oh Im sure they asked nicely and didnt need to threaten or sweet talk him ... the fact that thread used wholesale quotation made it an easy decision, although I must admit the editing thing sounds a bit hollow unless the original message was wholesale quoted multiple times throughout the thread.

 

[Urian]

And for the GPU part I believe that ATI will reuse part of the manufacturation research for the Xenos.

They can put 48 ALU in 232 milions of transistors, I believe that they can put 32 ALU (24 Pixel+8 Vertex) in a more smaller GPU (160 miions for logic+40 milions for eDRAM).

 

[Readykilowatt]

Why am I not surprised that the article was pulled?

Keep in mind few threads containing false information are deleted from these forums. Judging from the past it's always the true ones.

Still, it makes sense if the Hollywood GPU is going to be significantly cheaper it will be significantly less power ( a relative term).
If it's going to be somewhat less expensive it will be somewhat less powerful.
Of course release date could offset any imbalance.

Technology gets faster, better and cheaper over time. If the Revolution is released a full year after the Xbox 360, its components will be more powerful and sophisticated. Look at the Gamecube and compare it to the PS2.

 

[Ty]

Technology gets faster, better and cheaper over time. If the Revolution is released a full year after the Xbox 360, its components will be more powerful and sophisticated. Look at the Gamecube and compare it to the PS2.

That's why Pozer said:

Of course release date could offset any imbalance.

And no, coming out a year later does not mean its components will be more powerful (absolute) and sophisticated. It means the potential is there for this to occur but it is hardly a guarantee.

 

[Almasy]

What a mess. All the ATI PR department accomplished by asking the thread to be removed is confirm the story.

Letting the board get manipulated by the ATI PR department isn´t exactly classy either.

 

[Readykilowatt]

That's why Pozer said:

I know.

And no, coming out a year later does not mean its components will be more powerful (absolute) and sophisticated. It means the potential is there for this to occur but it is hardly a guarantee.

True, but how much do you think the Revolution will sell for at launch in the US? $199? $99? $29? Look, all the next-gen consoles will be able to give us gamers awesome graphics and they all will have advantages and disadvantages, but the Revolution wont be the "weakest" console of the three. Unless you consider the PS2 (as a whole) to be more powerful than the Gamecube (as a whole).

 

[Dave Baumann]

Do note that Dave isn't saying ATi made/coerced/bribed/etc him into removing the thread.

Oh Im sure they asked nicely and didnt need to threaten or sweet talk him ... the fact that thread used wholesale quotation made it an easy decision, although I must admit the editing thing sounds a bit hollow unless the original message was wholesale quoted multiple times throughout the thread.

Which it was, and I'm not faffing around, pansying to the "Oh, how dare you remove a thread, what a terrible injustice" crowd at the best of times, let alone while I'm still on holiday.