Redfall [XBSX|S, XGP, PC]
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It's a real pity that Arkane released something like this which should have been redesigned years ago. Bethesda's marketing on this title was akin to mobile game marketing. And Microsoft were stupid to release this as a AAA title representative of their first party releases.
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Microsoft has Coalition, who are a very competent UE4 dev. Microsoft needs to get their studios talking and sharing knowledge and technical information. Arkane was brought in a little over two years ago. You'd hope in that time that developers could sharing experiences and avoiding this kind of situation. Or maybe Redfall was already too far along to make major improvements. I know Coalition has a highly customized UE4.
Silent_Buddha
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They have a studio now that is only focused on sharing and assisting with development of UE5 projects, although that might mostly be for UE5 animations. It's a splinter group from Undead Labs formed in 2021.
That obviously doesn't help with UE4, but then UE4 is likely considered EOL at MS, so they aren't going to be putting any company wide resources towards it.
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SB
Really? State of Decay was an absolute mess from a tech point of view. Keep on meaning to boot SOD2 up again on the Series X just to see if it's any better on that.
The terrible textures in Redfall were a texture streaming bug/issue of some kind. Some of the textures just take an age to load for some reason.
Silent_Buddha
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Yes, launch for State of Decay 2 was pretty rough, especially multiplayer. Singleplayer wasn't bad. It's reportedly much better now with people that hated the multiplayer at launch actually really enjoying it now.
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SB
Oh, I like the game. I've played a metric shit-ton of SoD and SoD2 on various Xboxes. It's just never been anything other than super shonky tech-wise. Just seems an odd choice for a spin-off team.
That review was brutal, but not in a hyperbolic manner. Forgetting all the visible and glaring technical issues, the gameplay and storytelling aspects are outdated and plain boring from what I see.
Really comes down to how much they had in the pipeline and cut it for release. If there is a significant amount of effort completed, it may make sense to wrap it up. Reminds me of Destiny 1 if I recall that one correctly.
Yeah, perhaps project was to big, perhaps transition to UE4 was painful for them. Lots of things that could go wrong here. Hopefully they learn something from this.
It depends. They kind of went with a longer to respond but harder hitting AI. I think they should adjust it to respond quicker but hit lighter. That will of course need rebalancing testing to make sure they don't over or under do it.
I mean they should do both. Leave a small team to actually fix it while also starting on a new game .
There is a really good experiance in this game but requires a bunch of polish
By harder hitting do you mean more capable or just increased damage? It looks like the devs deliberately slowed AI reaction time, but the AI also have obvious issues with visibility. Vampires seem to respond more quickly and fight more aggressively than grunts (though the examples I've seen show disappointingly basic attack patterns). SkillUp's review showed several examples of AI foiled by verticality, which is another example of a visibility issue. Are they reining in AI visibility to help performance? When the AI is foiled by a chair, is it deliberately dumb to save CPU cycles or because of insufficient dev time (see: still life cutscenes and "movies")?
John's review here (paraphrasing: "I'm not mad, just disappointed"):
I think the base cultists enemy AI is slower to react, so if they make them faster to react they may need to lower the amount of damage they do to keep the player life expectancy the same. It is easy to get into a situation where having multiple enemies pushes you over the edge so you die, not because any single enemy is too powerful but because there are enough of them.
As it is, playing this as a stealth game isn't as enjoyable as going in guns blazing. It's too easy and not engaging enough to do full stealth.
I know this isn't Redfall specific, but I feel like MS should designate a specific team to go round and improve a bunch of existing releases on XSX/XSS.
Perhaps say the team that did the FPS boost work? and the Back compat work - assuming it's the same team.
Give them some time, and tell them, anything MS owned needs to be "Best on XSX" - EG. Ghostwire, Deathloop,
Also try and get to EA, and offer to do the same for them. Eg. Jedi Survivor and Dead space remake.
Then get this team to help fix the perf problems in Redfall!
The most powerful console narrative only works, if you can back it up with the perf numbers in big releases.
It does look like UE5 titles will end up performing slightly better on XSX vs PS5 ( based on fornite )
Perhaps say the team that did the FPS boost work? and the Back compat work - assuming it's the same team.
Give them some time, and tell them, anything MS owned needs to be "Best on XSX" - EG. Ghostwire, Deathloop,
Also try and get to EA, and offer to do the same for them. Eg. Jedi Survivor and Dead space remake.
Then get this team to help fix the perf problems in Redfall!
The most powerful console narrative only works, if you can back it up with the perf numbers in big releases.
It does look like UE5 titles will end up performing slightly better on XSX vs PS5 ( based on fornite )
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