PSX Details

[maskrider]

No USB 2.0 and no IEEE 1394/Firewire....which means it can't digitally transfer MiniDVs or any digital video format to DVDs...MAJOR MISTAKE...

BTW that DVD recorder drive better be bullet proof because it'll be doing triple duty.

I don't even consider that a mistake. If everything is there from the start, who will buy later versions ?

If you have been watching, Sony is very very aggressive in products schedule these few years, I am not surprised there may be a newer version released with more features 6 months (or less) after its release, I expect this one to be only one of the intermediate steps towards a full-fledged box.

I hadn't buy a Sony notebook (previous target TR1) because of the above reason, and not really surprised, TR1 was phased out for less than 6 months and replaced by TR2.

 

[PC-Engine]

Dude you sound like you have it all figured out!!!

So you're saying people like you would spend over $700 for this PSX then shell out another $500 for revision 2 because it didn't have something it should've in the first place???

So you're going to use both PSX's???

What kind of logic is that??? Sounds like a blind SONY follower to me.

Transferring digital video from your digital video camera onto recordable DVDs is the MOST basic not to mention most useful feature known!!

Why SONY wouldn't include it in a $700 PSX is beyond comprehension.

Even the cheaper DVD recorders on the market have IEEE 1394 DV input and those standalone recorders are only $400 like Toshiba's.

It's not like IEEE 1394 is a new protocol where they need extra time to include in a later version!!!

 

[maskrider]

Dude you sound like you have it all figured out!!!

So you're saying people like you would spend over $700 for this PSX then shell out another $500 for revision 2 because it didn't have something it should've in the first place???

So you're going to use both PSX's???

What kind of logic is that??? Sounds like a blind SONY follower to me.

Transferring digital video from your digital video camera onto recordable DVDs is the MOST basic not to mention most useful feature known!!

Why SONY wouldn't include it in a $700 PSX is beyond comprehension.

I don't know where you see from my message that "I'm buying it".

I'll use the TR1 example again, people knows Sony changes model very fast, but yet, the TR1 is out of stock everywhere I searched. People have to queue up (by pre-orders) for it, whenever it reach the store, it will be gone a hour or so.

I am saying even if it doesn't have the features when it is launched, it doesn't really matter as people will still be buying it, although you and I may not be buying it, it doesn't mean they made a mistake because we both don't buy it.

And BTW, don't view that US$700 as anything expensive, it is indeed damn cheap for such a device. I might consider buying one as a stylish HDD recorder (mainly) for my wife and a game console (secondary) for my son.

 

[chaphack]

I have always said Sony seems to lack focus....

One more nice quote to go along.

But analysts say the game machine and audiovisual equipment don’t necessarily go together because the life cycles of AV machinery are so much shorter, requiring constant upgrades.
“The markets don’t match,â€￾ said Kazumasa Kubota, analyst with Okasan Securities Co. in Tokyo. “The PSX may sell in numbers when it first goes on sale, but it’d be tough to keep the sales going.â€￾
Kubota said Sony lacks a clear strategy and has fumbled in other new products such as the CoCoon, sold only in Japan so far, which links to the Internet and records TV shows. Sony has not even released sales figures for CoCoon.
Sony’s profits tumbled 98 percent to 1.1 billion yen ($10 million) as sales dipped 7 percent in the first fiscal quarter through June compared to a year ago.

 

[PC-Engine]

Dude you sound like you have it all figured out!!!

So you're saying people like you would spend over $700 for this PSX then shell out another $500 for revision 2 because it didn't have something it should've in the first place???

So you're going to use both PSX's???

What kind of logic is that??? Sounds like a blind SONY follower to me.

Transferring digital video from your digital video camera onto recordable DVDs is the MOST basic not to mention most useful feature known!!

Why SONY wouldn't include it in a $700 PSX is beyond comprehension.

I don't know where you see from my message that "I'm buying it".

I'll use the TR1 example again, people knows Sony changes model very fast, but yet, the TR1 is out of stock everywhere I searched. People have to queue up (by pre-orders) for it, whenever it reach the store, it will be gone a hour or so.

I am saying even if it doesn't have the features when it is launched, it doesn't really matter as people will still be buying it, although you and I may not be buying it, it doesn't mean they made a mistake because we both don't buy it.

And BTW, don't view that US$700 as anything expensive, it is indeed damn cheap for such a device. I might consider buying one as a stylish HDD recorder (mainly) for my wife and a game console (secondary) for my son.

Sold out??? Well when you make very few of ANYTHING it's likely to sell out

BTW $700 for a DVD recorder with built-in SAT receiver and HDD and PS2 game console isn't expensive, but to leave out one of the most important and basic feature that $700 does become very expensive

 

[maskrider]

Sold out??? Well when you make very few of ANYTHING it's likely to sell out

BTW $700 for a DVD recorder with built-in SAT receiver and HDD and PS2 game console isn't expensive, but to leave out one of the most important features that $700 does become very expensive

So do you think the first batch of PSX will be a very big lot ? Remember that it is not supposed to be a truely mass market device.

And for "the most important features", it may be that for you, but it may not be an issue (nor a consideration at all) to others, and for me, I don't need 1394 on it. I do everything on my PC with Adobe Premiere. But I am just a little sand in the ocean and cannot represent opinion of others.

 

[PC-Engine]

Sold out??? Well when you make very few of ANYTHING it's likely to sell out

BTW $700 for a DVD recorder with built-in SAT receiver and HDD and PS2 game console isn't expensive, but to leave out one of the most important features that $700 does become very expensive

So do you think the first batch of PSX will be a very big lot ? Remember that it is not supposed to be a truely mass market device.

And for "the most important features", it may be that for you, but it may not be an issue (nor a consideration at all) to others, and for me, I don't need 1394 on it. I do everything on my PC with Adobe Premiere. But I am just a little sand in the ocean and cannot represent opinion of others.

Well if it doesn't have a DV input then it won't be attractive to a lot of potential buyers. Most people just want to plug their DV cam into the unit and burn their tapes onto DVD without any loss in quality. They don't want to go through the hassel of figuring how to do it on a PC.

 

[maskrider]

Sold out??? Well when you make very few of ANYTHING it's likely to sell out

BTW $700 for a DVD recorder with built-in SAT receiver and HDD and PS2 game console isn't expensive, but to leave out one of the most important features that $700 does become very expensive

So do you think the first batch of PSX will be a very big lot ? Remember that it is not supposed to be a truely mass market device.

And for "the most important features", it may be that for you, but it may not be an issue (nor a consideration at all) to others, and for me, I don't need 1394 on it. I do everything on my PC with Adobe Premiere. But I am just a little sand in the ocean and cannot represent opinion of others.

Well if it doesn't have a DV input then it won't be attractive to a lot of potential buyers. Most people just want to plug their DV cam into the unit and burn their tapes onto DVD without any loss in quality. They don't want to go through the hassel of figuring how to do it on a PC.

If they care so much about quality, they will figure the best way to do it (on a PC or a Mac).

If they don't, they can just use the S-Video or composite AV input to record them onto DVD with a HDD/DVD recorder without 1394 ports.

 

[TTP]

No USB 2.0 and no IEEE 1394/Firewire....which means it can't digitally transfer MiniDVs or any digital video format to DVDs...MAJOR MISTAKE...

BTW that DVD recorder drive better be bullet proof because it'll be doing triple duty.

Just out of curiosity, doesn't USB 1.1 allow that?

 

[chaphack]

i guess usb1.1 is much slower than firewire or usb2.0, more evident in transferring globs of DV data

 

[TTP]

ok, but does it allow to do that albeit slowly?

 

[chaphack]

if you have the best why settle for the rest, if you pay the bill you jolly well get across the hill

hmmmmmmm... actually that might just be Sony's mojo when you look at their products, well most of them anyway.

 

[PC-Engine]

If they care so much about quality, they will figure the best way to do it (on a PC or a Mac).

If they didn't care about quality then they wouldn't have a DV cam as they'd use the older analog tape formats while saving money on a cheaper camcorder at the same time. And if they didn't care about quality they'd use a VCR instead of a DVDR.

It's like buying a brand spanking new car in a warm state like California without A/C...it doesn't make any sense.

 

[chaphack]

Original USB: 12Mbits/s (1.5MBYTES/s)
Hi-Speed USB: 480Mbits/s
Firewire IEEE-1394: 100-400Mbits/s (12.5--50MBYTES/s)

I guess the difference is like transferring a movie over broadband and 56k. I have heard that Firewire is better as the transfer rate is more stable(as opposed to USB2.0 burst speed) or something...

 

[TTP]

Well, given no one seems to know the difference in terms of speed between USB 2.0 and 1.1 I have done a quick research myself.

It turns out USB 2.0 transfer rate is 1MBps while 1.1 one is 870KBps. Not a big deal of a difference in my opinion.

*reads chap post* Where did you find those data?

 

[PC-Engine]

Well, given no one seems to know the difference in terms of speed between USB 2.0 and 1.1 I have done a quick research myself.

It turns out USB 2.0 transfer rate is 1MBps while 1.1 one is 870KBps. Not a big deal of a difference in my opinion.

*reads chap post* Where did you find those data?

Huh??? There's a HUGE difference between 1.1 and 2.0.

2.0 is 480 Mbps that's 40X faster!

BTW that data is everwhere. It's common knowledge.

 

[TTP]

Some message boards say USB1.1 is 12MBps. Fuck isn't there an official web site with specs and such?

Anyway, it seems video tranfers to PSX via USB 1.1 IS possibile.

 

[maskrider]

If they care so much about quality, they will figure the best way to do it (on a PC or a Mac).

If they didn't care about quality then they wouldn't have a DV cam as they'd use the older analog tape formats while saving money on a cheaper camcorder at the same time. And if they didn't care about quality they'd use a VCR instead of a DVDR.

It's like buying a brand spanking new car in a warm state like California without A/C...it doesn't make any sense.

When did the reason for buying a DV handy cam become "quality" ? It is more like being handy, just like handling DVD is a lot more handy than video cassette.

I am indeed disappointed by the quality of even with higher priced DV handy cams, may be I am just expecting too much from it.

And BTW, your analogy is not quite the same thing IMO.

 

[maskrider]

Some message boards say USB1.1 is 12MBps. Fuck isn't there an official web site with specs and such?

Anyway, it seems video tranfers to PSX via USB 1.1 IS possibile.

DV cams are using 1394 if you want to transfer the stream digitally. USB interface on the DV cams are for the photos they take and stored on memory cards.

I am sure you can easily find the spec if you "google" it.

 

[PC-Engine]

When did the reason for buying a DV handy cam become "quality" ? It is more like being handy, just like handling DVD is a lot more handy than video cassette.

Compared to analog 8mm and VHS-C, it's quality period. Both 8mm and VHS-C are "handy" btw especiall 8mm since it's basically the same size as DV.