PSX Details

rabidrabbit said:
aaaaa00 said:
Last I checked (end of May), the PSX was selling a couple hundred units a week in Japan.

Frankly, I didn't expect it to tank that badly.

:oops:
Still, it's selling about the same as xbox :)

Last I checked (end of May), the xbox was doing two or three times better.

Har har. Not that beating the PSX is any consolation to the xbox in Japan.

;)
 
From May 31 to Jun 6, 2004 xbox sales 574 per week, according to Magicbox. PSOne sold 299 pcs.
Is there exact sales numbers for PSX somewhere?
 
rabidrabbit said:
From May 31 to Jun 6, 2004 xbox sales 574 per week, according to Magicbox. PSOne sold 299 pcs.
Is there exact sales numbers for PSX somewhere?

The number I had for PSX for that time period is < 200 units. :oops:

Your other numbers are roughly the same as mine.
 
aaaaa00 said:
The number I had for PSX for that time period is < 200 units. :oops:
PSX sales numbers are interesting and on-topic, unfortunately your word is not good enough. Please keep any information as solid as possible in this thread. Please post a link, that is backing up your claims.
 
ChryZ said:
aaaaa00 said:
The number I had for PSX for that time period is < 200 units. :oops:
PSX sales numbers are interesting and on-topic, unfortunately your word is not good enough. Please keep any information as solid as possible in this thread. Please post a link, that is backing up your claims.

Take my word or don't take my word for it, it doesn't matter -- there is no way there will be a public source for this data, so I'm not going to be able to post a link to back up my claims. Sorry.

This is from a market report that you can only get by paid subscription -- I have a spreadsheet open in front of me with numbers from Degenki, Media Create, Famitsu, etc.

Here's another data point: apprently Sony's only been able to sell-through about 70,000 units of PSX Lifetime-To-Date. That's as of May 31st 2004.

Like I said above, either believe me or not, I can't provide anything more to backup my claims.

Also I am not going to rule out the possibility that the numbers are off by a certain amount (market data is never 100% accurate), but they should be within the ballpark correct.
 
aaaaa00 said:
Take my word or don't take my word for it, it doesn't matter -- there is no way there will be a public source for this data, so I'm not going to be able to post a link to back up my claims. Sorry.

This is from a market report that you can only get by paid subscription -- I have a spreadsheet open in front of me with numbers from Degenki, Media Create, Famitsu, etc.
This was mainly what I figured was desired. Not all information has a direct link, of course, but knowing just where it's coming from is good. Might at least be useful to know who compiled the market report, if not the details.
Here's another data point: apprently Sony's only been able to sell-through about 70,000 units of PSX Lifetime-To-Date. That's as of May 31st 2004.
Didn't they excitedly announce sales of over 100k units within the first week(s)? That's the only "official" number I remember being mentioned. I gather sales slumped dramatically after the initial surge, but 70k is below the only official number that HAS come out.

The only other snippit I've seen around is: According to Sony's Chief Financial Officer Takao Yuhara, shipments of the PSX totaled 650,000 units through March 2004. Yuhara-san said, "PSX sales were strong in the beginning, but the system has failed to meet expectations." Granted that does not at all point at all to 650k being sold to customers, but how would they make anywhere near that many if the machine slumped so quickly and sold so little?



I checked up on that last part a bit further. Found a few presentations and this one gives me the 650k figure I saw elsewhere, but it would be for both the PSX and their Sugoroku lines released in that year, so sadly that tells little about the PSX itself. (I hate bundled responses... Come now, you know what we want to hear! :p )

Elsewhere I read estimates of around 150k, which seems closer to the mark. But unless their first press release was a complete fabrication, 70k units is just way off.
 
cthellis42 said:
aaaaa00 said:
Take my word or don't take my word for it, it doesn't matter -- there is no way there will be a public source for this data, so I'm not going to be able to post a link to back up my claims. Sorry.

This is from a market report that you can only get by paid subscription -- I have a spreadsheet open in front of me with numbers from Degenki, Media Create, Famitsu, etc.
This was mainly what I figured was desired. Not all information has a direct link, of course, but knowing just where it's coming from is good. Might at least be useful to know who compiled the market report, if not the details.
Here's another data point: apprently Sony's only been able to sell-through about 70,000 units of PSX Lifetime-To-Date. That's as of May 31st 2004.
Didn't they excitedly announce sales of over 100k units within the first week(s)? That's the only "official" number I remember being mentioned. I gather sales slumped dramatically after the initial surge, but 70k is below the only official number that HAS come out.

The only other snippit I've seen around is: According to Sony's Chief Financial Officer Takao Yuhara, shipments of the PSX totaled 650,000 units through March 2004. Yuhara-san said, "PSX sales were strong in the beginning, but the system has failed to meet expectations." Granted that does not at all point at all to 650k being sold to customers, but how would they make anywhere near that many if the machine slumped so quickly and sold so little?

You have to remember, market surveys are not 100% accurate. They may not cover all retailers, not all retailers may have reported at the time the report was issued, etc.

They usually massage the data a bit to compensate, but they can be off by quite a bunch. (Just look at the US NPD numbers as an example of how they can be off by a bunch.)

Usually they're within the right order of magnitude though.

Here this website claims Sony "sold" 100,000 units of PSX by January:

http://www.game-machines.com/news/010604/psx-sales.php

Here this website says Sony "shipped" 150,000 units by March.

http://www.gamemarketwatch.com/news/item.asp?nid=2896

Here it says Sony stopped production of the PSX in April:

http://www.gizmodo.com/archives/psx-production-hiccups-009148.php

So my guess is they shipped a little over 150,000 units into shops by April, sold though about half of them, then stopped making more until they could launch newer models.

So I'm betting the "100,000 sold" number quoted in January was actually "100,000 shipped".

I don't know where the 650,000 shipped number comes from. I doubt it's accurate, I think it's probably a mistranslation.

Edit: I saw your update. Yeah ok, if it's 650,000 shipped for their entire line of DVD/HD/recorders, I can believe that.
 
The 150k shipped was a common hear, and I figure they're at least closer to that in sold now, since they're putting new models out.

It's hard to misinterperate "we sold 100k units" as anything but that, since no one really cares about shipped quantities. Quick sales are to be lauded, but a fast shipping for an initial product lauch? It's not like THAT raises any eyebrows. So either there's a complete fudge-up going on somewhere, or that report isn't dotting all the I's and crossing the T's.

I'd assume after the initial surge the slow trickly has been whittling away from the rest of the ~150k shipped units to the point where it's somewhere in the 125-150k range now. New model production will fill in the gaps and take care of any upsurges, while perhaps gearing up for the foreign launches?

<shrugs> At any rate, yems my hypothesis looking at what's been going on so far.
 
cthellis42 said:
The 150k shipped was a common hear, and I figure they're at least closer to that in sold now, since they're putting new models out.

I don't think the impetus to release new models is that the current model is sucessful (and is getting close to sold out).

I think the impetus to release new PSX models is that the current model is doing so badly that they realize they need to try again with a more appealing product.

Most companies will give a new product a couple tries before they give up. Just look at Nokia. ;)

Didn't a bunch of articles get circulated a while back indicating the current model PSX is getting heavy discounts because Sony's trying to clear out the glut of old stock in the channel? Weren't there projections that PSX would do a million units before the fiscal year was done?

cthellis42 said:
It's hard to misinterperate "we sold 100k units" as anything but that, since no one really cares about shipped quantities. Quick sales are to be lauded, but a fast shipping for an initial product lauch? It's not like THAT raises any eyebrows. So either there's a complete fudge-up going on somewhere, or that report isn't dotting all the I's and crossing the T's.

I still wouldn't be suprised if the 100K sold quoted in January was 100K "sold-in" not "sold-through".

Everyone pulls the "sold = sold-in" ("shipped") vs "sold = sold-through" ("sold") trick in their press releases.

It's a standard PR tactic -- you give the impression of high demand to make your product seem like it's desirable. It's perfectly legal, as long as you're saying "sold = sold-in" and not "sold-in = sold-through".
 
aaaaa00 said:
I don't think the impetus to release new models is that the current model is sucessful (and is getting close to sold out).

I think the impetus to release new PSX models is that the current model is doing so badly that they realize they need to try again with a more appealing product.
The new model really isn't different though. Just with their software and firmware changes pre-installed and adding another case color option. (At least to my understanding that's pretty much all it does. Everyone who already has one can still update to all the features they'd be adding. Giving it a new model number still sounds better, though, but it's not quite an incentive to let originals sit around. (And if they were doing a major upgrade, they'd be trimming the price on the old models as well. I think they've just trimmed the price on them all some to try to attract more customers.)

Didn't a bunch of articles get circulated a while back indicating the current model PSX is getting heavy discounts because Sony's trying to clear out the glut of old stock in the channel? Weren't there projections that PSX would do a million units before the fiscal year was done?
Yet another reason I think they'd be closer to selling out their original stock. There may have been a glut, but price drops tend to increase sales a bit. The new models, to my knowledge, will keep the same lower price to actually spruce UP sales a bit. :p

As to the "million sales" they already said their "oops" to that. That would include foreign markets (and second holiday season sales) for the most part as well, and we don't know how it will do out there. Sony's share of DVD recorders still jumped a huge amount (from 1.2% to 22.1%) but it seems like their Sugoroku line proved more popular and pulled sales from the PSX. I'm not sure what their plan for that line is in foreign markets... They may bank a bit more on the unique and interesting qualities of the PSX (especially now that it's in sufficiently improved state), and if it still fails to catch fire, bring out the Sugoroku line to brace things up.

I still wouldn't be suprised if the 100K sold quoted in January was 100K "sold-in" not "sold-through".

Everyone pulls the "sold = sold-in" ("shipped") vs "sold = sold-through" ("sold") trick in their press releases.
I wouldn't be entirely surprised either, but I just don't see it having any purpose for a small amount of sales during a launch period. If they're expecting popularity, all the stores stock up to have enough for the release--and they may get the shaft. If a product actually sells to customers very well and very quickly, it becomes a thing of note. Sales numbers also seem a lot easier to acquire in Japan, so it doesn't behoove them to make a claim that could immediately be contradicted by a source saying "what you REALLY meant to say was..." <shrugs>
It's a standard PR tactic -- you give the impression of high demand to make your product seem like it's desirable. It's perfectly legal, as long as you're saying "sold = sold-in" and not "sold-in = sold-through".
Granted, but I'd expect to have heard a contrary or correcting voice by now. When unit sales get into the millions I'm sure every number we see are "sold-in"s because that's the only one easy for the producer to track. (They know how much THEY have sold to everywhere...) For sales like the PSX, they probably sold over 100k to stores just to stock up for the launch, so comments of selling over 100k after it was launched would seem to point to customers. (And there were "selling out" comments. It's just if retailers restocked as if that demand would keep up, they'd get screwed if it flattened TOO much.)

The funny/ironic part doesn't care about the exact number of sales, though; it comes from Kun Kutagari who said that the PSX "sells for almost 100,000 yen ($941) and it still sold out. There are no products out there that can say that." No products CAN say that! Not even the PSX! :p
 
aaaaa00, thanks for the feedback and the background of your numbers. It will be interesting to see, how this whole PSX affair is going to turn out.
 
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