Panajev2001a
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I actually would like that... portable... nice looking, many think it is a photoshop fake... and it probably is...
PSP ??
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Yeah, I agree with Paul. The buttons should be put higher up. Where would the discs go by the way? Slot somewhere on the back?
If this is the real design (which I somehow doubt, seeing as it's not coming out for like 1 1/2 years), I have to say it looks like a silly TOY. And why no analog stick? I expect such functionality on a next-gen portable, digital pads don't cut it with 3D graphics. That's the biggest reason to think this is either some kind of styling prototype/mock-up, or a total fake done by some fan.
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If this is the real design (which I somehow doubt, seeing as it's not coming out for like 1 1/2 years), I have to say it looks like a silly TOY. And why no analog stick? I expect such functionality on a next-gen portable, digital pads don't cut it with 3D graphics. That's the biggest reason to think this is either some kind of styling prototype/mock-up, or a total fake done by some fan.
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Obviously a quickly done Photoshop paste-job, just look at around the buttons and you can see some pixelation, plus some weird perspective.
The press relase also stated Dual Shock 2 controls, which would mean analog sticks.
If trhis was the final design, I'd be a little disappointed.
The press relase also stated Dual Shock 2 controls, which would mean analog sticks.
If trhis was the final design, I'd be a little disappointed.
Panajev2001a
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How do you make a GBA SP style foldable screen with two analog sticks popping out ?
This looks really cool, I might get one depending on the launch games.
One thing stuck out in my mind when reading this... not the london-boy and PC Engine fight... no... it was Tagrineth's uh... babble.
What on earth makes you think just cuz you might somehow be able to squeeze 1024MB on a GBA cartridge that would allow Dreamcast ports? GBA is like a SNES... you make absolutely no sense. Even if GBA2 comes out, I doubt it will have even close to the power of Dreamcast seeing as the GBA doesn't even touch PSX power. Your arguement with V3 is just rewording what he's saying. Urgh.. "enhance GB's position dramatically" is different from "bringing it back from the brink of death" in what way? You're both saying the same thing.
This isn't a personal attack on Tag, but I'm wondering "wtf?" :?
One thing stuck out in my mind when reading this... not the london-boy and PC Engine fight... no... it was Tagrineth's uh... babble.
What on earth makes you think just cuz you might somehow be able to squeeze 1024MB on a GBA cartridge that would allow Dreamcast ports? GBA is like a SNES... you make absolutely no sense. Even if GBA2 comes out, I doubt it will have even close to the power of Dreamcast seeing as the GBA doesn't even touch PSX power. Your arguement with V3 is just rewording what he's saying. Urgh.. "enhance GB's position dramatically" is different from "bringing it back from the brink of death" in what way? You're both saying the same thing.
This isn't a personal attack on Tag, but I'm wondering "wtf?" :?
Paul said:IT'S PSP!
Sorry this one's fake you guys.
Look at the picture above and under the page
http://www.dgs-online.nl/nieuws/?id=10395
Panajev2001a said:
I'm betting it's a fake. Sony has some of the finest designers around and make their products a work of sylistic and utilistic art. This looks like something Nintendo would sell to 10 year olds...
Doesn't quite fit the style I think Sony's aiming for. Besides, designers like Shoichiro Matsuoka (who if you ever read his piece on their RZ series) would have a heart attack if they saw that.
Panajev2001a said:
Nintendo has been waiting for years for the competation to arrive, everybody knew that 1 (at least) or the console big boys would challenge Nintendo in the handheld market. The only surprise to the industry has been that Nintendo has been left for this long without any serious challenge.
In the handheld space everything is reversed from the console space, whatever advantage Sony has with consoles (different people will say different things), Nintendo has it with handhelds. Sony can't win on technology because all the things mentioned in the presentation don't matter, it may have the best screen, best graphics etc but Nintendo will match or better it for battery and price. In software, Sony have a real problem, Nintendo have the 3rd party market completely, they already have every big francise from GTA, Metal Gear, Tombraider, Pokomon etc What does Sony have ? You can only include 1st party Sony software on PSX/PS2, the Playstation 3rd party heritage means nothing.
If Sony can beat Nintendo in the handheld market, Nintendo can beat Sony in the next gen console market. How many people think thats going to happen? In both cases the only real chance occurs if the current leader makes a serious mistake, I personally don't see Sony doing it with PS3 or Nintendo doing if with the next Gameboy. Nintendo has made its serious mistakes in the past (as has Sony, <cough>Beta<cough>) they won't go down with out a serious fight.
Sony PSP has to beat a franchise that is expected to sell over 15 Millions units this year. Sony has a very very hard fight.
DeanoC said:
I disagree as the situations are completely diffrent as perhaps Sony won't market it as just a GBA-device. If it turns out to be an interconnected PDA-esque devise that can wirelessly get Digital Content threw Sony's Fabric that PS3 will obviously be a part of... it's just a bit beyond GBA or Nintendo.
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Sony has the cheaper optical media advantage and will be aggressive of license fees...
I do not hear many GBA developers who LOVE the cartdridges' cost and the margins you make on GBA software... ( not very high margins
)...
Nintendo has Metal Gear ? Not on the GBA...
Tomb Raider ? You paragon the Tomb Raider on GBA to an enhaced port of Tomb Raider 1 and Tomb Raider 4: The Last Revelation ?
Square ? Do you think they like limiting themselves to 8 MB ROMs ( which already cost a pretty penny ) is so good for them that they would resist from porting FFVII, FFVIII and FFIX to the PSP ?
There are tons of 3rd parties who would cheaply ( for them ) port upgraded versions of their PSX games onto PSP...
Add a GT game, a Syphon Filter, a reduced Jak & Dexter, a reduced ( adapted ) GTA3, a 100% accurate Castlevania: SOTN, an enhanced Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver 1, etc...
Nintendo does not hold the 3rd parties by the balls and PSP will be a good chance for many of them as Sony will be eager to affirm itself and will be very competitive in licensing fees and medium cost ( I expect the UMD not to bee ridicously expensive )...
There is a strong push for developers to try the Sony PSP platform...
The UMD, the new PSP optical medium will be one of the several strong points that Sony will use...
I think PSP and GBA SP can co-exist and both have good profits...
I do not hear many GBA developers who LOVE the cartdridges' cost and the margins you make on GBA software... ( not very high margins
)...Nintendo has Metal Gear ? Not on the GBA...
Tomb Raider ? You paragon the Tomb Raider on GBA to an enhaced port of Tomb Raider 1 and Tomb Raider 4: The Last Revelation ?
Square ? Do you think they like limiting themselves to 8 MB ROMs ( which already cost a pretty penny ) is so good for them that they would resist from porting FFVII, FFVIII and FFIX to the PSP ?
There are tons of 3rd parties who would cheaply ( for them ) port upgraded versions of their PSX games onto PSP...
Add a GT game, a Syphon Filter, a reduced Jak & Dexter, a reduced ( adapted
) GTA3, a 100% accurate Castlevania: SOTN, an enhanced Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver 1, etc...Nintendo does not hold the 3rd parties by the balls and PSP will be a good chance for many of them as Sony will be eager to affirm itself and will be very competitive in licensing fees and medium cost ( I expect the UMD not to bee ridicously expensive )...
There is a strong push for developers to try the Sony PSP platform...
The UMD, the new PSP optical medium will be one of the several strong points that Sony will use...
I think PSP and GBA SP can co-exist and both have good profits...
DeanoC:
I think you are grossly underestimating the mindshare factor that the PlayStation brand holds. Think about it for a second: After having sold over 80+ Million PSX consoes to happy consumers, PS2 has reached 50+ Million surpisingly early. Think about all those consumers out there that will walk into the shop next year and think while looking at PSP: "Hey a portable PlayStation". Of course the GameBoy has mindshare aswell, but if you think the brand PlayStation holds no advantage, then I do believe you are underestimating them.
I think you are grossly underestimating the mindshare factor that the PlayStation brand holds. Think about it for a second: After having sold over 80+ Million PSX consoes to happy consumers, PS2 has reached 50+ Million surpisingly early. Think about all those consumers out there that will walk into the shop next year and think while looking at PSP: "Hey a portable PlayStation". Of course the GameBoy has mindshare aswell, but if you think the brand PlayStation holds no advantage, then I do believe you are underestimating them.
I think in the long run, Nintendo's proprietary game handhelds are in trouble. You can buy a 250Mhz/32mb XScale based PocketPC today for $200. It's only a matter of time before someone will be able to build a $100 device with XScale and 3D chip. Don't really care if battery life doesn't match, just has to last a few hours, since you'll likely "cradle" it everyday to download new game content, sync saved games, characters to the PC, etc.
Moreover, I'd prefer something that's an "all in one", like Nokia's Series 60 NGAGE but more powerful: mobile phone, PDA, and game machine.
Already, many of the PDAs lined up for end of 2003 are adding 400+Mhz Xscale in combination with mobile 3D. The only thing missing is to reduce their cost a little more, design a better ergonomic interface for gaming, and for MS to setup a DRM system so they can charge for publishing games on the platform and subsidize manufacturers costs like mobile phone carriers are subsidizing phones by using the rate plans.
Moreover, I'd prefer something that's an "all in one", like Nokia's Series 60 NGAGE but more powerful: mobile phone, PDA, and game machine.
Already, many of the PDAs lined up for end of 2003 are adding 400+Mhz Xscale in combination with mobile 3D. The only thing missing is to reduce their cost a little more, design a better ergonomic interface for gaming, and for MS to setup a DRM system so they can charge for publishing games on the platform and subsidize manufacturers costs like mobile phone carriers are subsidizing phones by using the rate plans.
Panajev2001a
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Tagrineth: I repeat that the price is still too much... 256 MB at the price of current ROMs is still more than what an optical format will cost for developers and we are talking about a format with 1.8 GB, a machine capable of nicely playing FMVs and music without compromising graphics quality...
Panajev2001a
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1.8 GB + MPEG4 == porting FFVIII without compromising the quality of FMVs or of the game's songs or sound effects using one disc...
ROM sizes greater 256 MB doesn't mean much...
FFVIII uses more than 1 CD and each CD is ~700 MB...
Are you saying that a 1 GB ROM will cost the same price than a nicely mass produced UMD optical disc ( ROM not Re-Writable ) ?
ROM sizes greater 256 MB doesn't mean much...
FFVIII uses more than 1 CD and each CD is ~700 MB...
Are you saying that a 1 GB ROM will cost the same price than a nicely mass produced UMD optical disc ( ROM not Re-Writable ) ?
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