PSP Impressions

[Teasy]

Guden Oden

I don't really care if you think DS its a GameBoy or whatever. I'm just pointing out a fact. The DS has the Nintendo name and its a handheld, so of course it will be linked to GB in some ways (I'd bet some people will even refer to PSP as a GameBoy ). I only pointed out the fact that it doesn't actually have the GameBoy name. Now why don't you just calm down?

I think most people, just like me, see the touchscreen mainly as a gimmick.

You have no idea what most people think in this case, so that was quite a silly thing to say IMO. Most people I talk to are excited about the touch screen more then anything else in DS. A lot of them are looking forward to the mouse like controls it can bring to games that have never been done perfectly outside of the PC (FPS, RTS, Turn Based-RPG ect). Not to mention the fact that it allows a developer to create there own interface. Which is perfect for stuff like space games, flight simulators ect

Seems we're forgetting the much much larger and higher-quality screen, and - ect

Like you forgot all sorts of bits and peices about DS earlier you mean? At least I'm not claiming PSP's graphics capabilities are a gimmick and that it has no real reason to sell other then its name.

 

[Fox5]

http://sungame.mods.jp/photos/PSP/PSP_DS_05.jpg

That shot right there looks like it's using the AC adapter. Also notice how the AC adapter wire can conveniently ben hidden by the POV of this shot.

It's nice to compare the PSP using an AC adapter that allows even higher brightness adjustments vs NDS running on batteries, but it's hardly objective.

...and anyone in to photography knows that night pictures aren't indicative of how bright something would be.... which leaves me wondering what that picture should prove (or anyother pictures of x handheld in the dark) :?



and Fox:

There's more to the world than just a few/couple/hundreds of US schools that don't allow backpacks. Haven't seen any issues with backpacks anywhere in Europe (and aware of any) and Australia.

...besides, if they don't have a backpack, there's always some other place/bag/jacket pocket one could put it...

How about pants pocket?

Oh, and since there's such a huge gap in power between the DS and psp, the DS doesn't have battery life that is worlds battery, the PSP has more advanced wifi, the psp has a much bigger and better screen, psp has a bigger battery, psp has a minidisk drive, the psp has more features, and the psp has an analog thumbstick yet doesn't sell for much more than a ds how much do you think nintendo is making off the DS?(or how much is sony losing off the psp?)

 

[PC-Engine]

...and anyone in to photography knows that night pictures aren't indicative of how bright something would be.... which leaves me wondering what that picture should prove (or anyother pictures of x handheld in the dark)

There are two reasons why I posted that specific pic http://sungame.mods.jp/photos/PSP/PSP_DS_05.jpg


1. The AC adapter connection is on the far end in that pic where you see the NDS sitting, so it could easily be hidden from this perspective.

2. Look at the extreme viewing angle of that screen and how bright it is. It supposedly demonstrates that viewing angle has no affect on PSP screen brightness.

Now look at this picture where the PSP is suspiciously tilted toward the camera compared to the NDS not to mention how the right edge of the picture is suspciously cutoff.

http://sungame.mods.jp/photos/PSP/PSP_DS_04.jpg

Look how washed out the PSP screen looks compared to the previous screen and note the viewing angle isn't even that extreme. The NDS's screen does indeed have a narrow horizontal viewing angle so it's expected to look like that in that pic.

However look at this pic of the NDS screen.

http://sungame.mods.jp/photos/PSP/PSP_DS_03.jpg

Do you honestly believe that is how the NDS's screen looks at a zero degree viewing angle in very low light?

And finally look at this screen.

http://www.tokyopia.com/deluxe/pspwned.jpg

Considering that the first pic I posted above shows that extreme viewing angles have no affect on the PSP supposedly, how does the excuse that viewing angle is the cause of the 3 dim PSP displays compared to the NDS in this pic which is way brighter by hufinspack?

 

[Mulciber]

they dont look dim to me....the room looks lit

and the the nds is the only one thats being shot head on

 

[Farid]

Re: Number of ICs in the PSP

seemed to indicate there would a single SoC (= nerd speak for system on a chip) in 90 nm doing pretty much everything. So CPU, GPU, H.264 (= MPEG4 AVC decode), this virtual mobile engine, which is nothing more (IMHO) than a vertex/geometry/matrix/vector cruncher etc into one single chip. Now I see two of these big ICs.. what happened ???

Nice find. Now we have to determine which integrated core can be put on a discrete chip without affecting, too much, the performances. The GPU, VME, Media Engine?

 

[Paul]

Someone is scared shitless...

 

[PC-Engine]

they dont look dim to me....the room looks lit

and the the nds is the only one thats being shot head on

Yes the NDS is being shot head on and it's brighter than the 3 PSP which are at a more wide angle.

However look at the very first pic I linked to and how bright it is even at that extremely wide viewing angle.

Now look at that pic in the dark where it compares NDS and PSP head on and look how dark the NDS screen is compared to PSP. I think someone been doing some photoshop smoke and mirrors...

 

[one]

There are two reasons why I posted that specific pic http://sungame.mods.jp/photos/PSP/PSP_DS_05.jpg


1. The AC adapter connection is on the far end in that pic where you see the NDS sitting, so it could easily be hidden from this perspective.

Since you missed my post, I post it again with pics. You can't hide that protruded black part of the plug.

http://sungame.mods.jp/photos/PSP/PSP_DS_05.jpg

That shot right there looks like it's using the AC adapter. Also notice how the AC adapter wire can conveniently ben hidden by the POV of this shot.

Have you checked where it has its yellow DC IN jack at? Laughing You need hard bending of the cable to hide it from the POV. Also browse the pictures in this thread apparently by the same person.

 

[mech]

Arguing about the brightness in that dark shot is ridiculous; as someone already pointed out, night shots are not indicitive of the brightness of something because the exposure time is usually set much higher. In this case it looks like that's what's happened - I doubt it'd look that bright from such an extreme angle.

It irks me that the Nintendo fanboys are in this thread trying to discredit PSP - and also trying to convince us (themselves?) that somehow the DS has more features and more going for it than the PSP. The amazing amount of features, the beautiful screen, and the excellent price point make PSP much more appealing to me than the DS - it's much better value, and much more gaming oriented, and not just built around a gimmick that only seems suited for mini-games.

I mean, the flagship title of the DS was a port of Mario 64, with basic additions - and every review I read bitched and moaned about the lack of analog control, and the fiddly buttons. A lot of people have also complained about the fact you have to hold the ds with one hand and the stylus with the other - it really does seem it wasn't designed with portable gaming in mind. The PSP, however, has no wasted space, a full set of well-sized buttons, and an analogue stick. Perfect.

I cannot wait to get my hands on one of these; it's totally surpassed my expectations.

 

[mech]

Oh yeah, and could someone start a "DS vs PSP" thread if we're going to have any further discussion on the matter? It'd be nice if this thread WERE just about PSP impressions.

 

[PC-Engine]

Since you missed my post, I post it again with pics. You can't hide that protruded black part of the plug.

You are aware that the AC/DC jack can swivel right? You see how that pic you posted has the PSP slightly lifted from the far side with the right part of the pic cutoff? I'll let you draw your own conclusions. It just looks very fishy taking into account all the other pictures especially that top one at an extremely wide veiwing angle yet still is VERY bright.

Arguing about the brightness in that dark shot is ridiculous; as someone already pointed out, night shots are not indicitive of the brightness of something because the exposure time is usually set much higher. In this case it looks like that's what's happened - I doubt it'd look that bright from such an extreme angle.

Look at this shot of the NDS head on and how dim it is even in the dark.

http://sungame.mods.jp/photos/PSP/PSP_DS_03.jpg

Now look at this shot also of the NDS head on and how bright it is even in good lighting conditions.

http://www.tokyopia.com/deluxe/pspwned.jpg

Is there a reason why the NDS in the second shot with a lot of ambient light is as bright as the PSP in the first shot in total darkness?

 

[one]

Since you missed my post, I post it again with pics. You can't hide that protruded black part of the plug.

You are aware that the AC/DC jack can swivel right? You see how that pic you posted has the PSP slightly lifted from the far side with the right part of the pic cutoff? I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

THANKS I'LL DRAW IT MYSELF I'd been afraid that you might have started Photoshop Conspiracy Theory in the next comment

 

[PC-Engine]

Since you missed my post, I post it again with pics. You can't hide that protruded black part of the plug.

You are aware that the AC/DC jack can swivel right? You see how that pic you posted has the PSP slightly lifted from the far side with the right part of the pic cutoff? I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

THANKS I'LL DRAW IT MYSELF I'd been afraid that you might have started Photoshop Conspiracy Theory in the next comment

Look at this shot of the NDS head on and how dim it is even in the dark.

http://sungame.mods.jp/photos/PSP/PSP_DS_03.jpg

Now look at this shot also of the NDS head on and how bright it is even in good lighting conditions.

http://www.tokyopia.com/deluxe/pspwned.jpg

Is there a reason why the NDS in the second shot with a lot of ambient light is as bright as the PSP in the first shot in total darkness? Shouldn't the shot of NDS in the dark look A LOT brighter than that of the same NDS in the light according to reality?

What's the excuse now?

I rest my case.

 

[mech]

Look at this shot of the NDS head on and how dim it is even in the dark.

http://sungame.mods.jp/photos/PSP/PSP_DS_03.jpg

Now look at this shot also of the NDS head on and how bright it is even in good lighting conditions.

http://www.tokyopia.com/deluxe/pspwned.jpg

Is there a reason why the NDS in the second shot with a lot of ambient light is as bright as the PSP in the first shot in total darkness?

I guess you haven't figured out that the only valid comparison shots are those taken by the same camera, showing both machines from the same angle. Stuff can come out looking very different with just a few tweaks. For example, in that second shot with the PSP, if they'd left the shutter open for longer (which you can do in natural light as well), the DS would come out nice and bright. What exactly are you trying to prove? That those pictures are a conspiracy with the brightness turned way down on the DS? *shrug* maybe, but the PSP still looks fantastic in all those shots. If you can show a better comparison shot between a DS and a PSP in the same photo, then that will prove your point, but until then, just leave it. Trying to prove the relative brightnesses of the units with random photos off the net is pointless.

 

[mech]

Why are we even arguing about the screen? Every review of the machine so far has commenting on how bright and stunning the screen looks; meanwhile PC-Engine is trying to form conspiracy theories off photos off the net. Riiiiiiiiiiight.

Stop trashing this thread PCE.

 

[PC-Engine]

Look at this shot of the NDS head on and how dim it is even in the dark.

http://sungame.mods.jp/photos/PSP/PSP_DS_03.jpg

Now look at this shot also of the NDS head on and how bright it is even in good lighting conditions.

http://www.tokyopia.com/deluxe/pspwned.jpg

Is there a reason why the NDS in the second shot with a lot of ambient light is as bright as the PSP in the first shot in total darkness?

I guess you haven't figured out that the only valid comparison shots are those taken by the same camera, showing both machines from the same angle. Stuff can come out looking very different with just a few tweaks. For example, in that second shot with the PSP, if they'd left the shutter open for longer (which you can do in natural light as well), the DS would come out nice and bright. What exactly are you trying to prove? That those pictures are a conspiracy with the brightness turned way down on the DS? *shrug* maybe, but the PSP still looks fantastic in all those shots. If you can show a better comparison shot between a DS and a PSP in the same photo, then that will prove your point, but until then, just leave it. Trying to prove the relative brightnesses of the units with random photos off the net is pointless.

The point I was trying to make from the beginning is that these shots are very misleading at best. We don't know how bright the PSP screen is compared to NDS in headon shots therefore posting pics to say one is A LOT brighter than the other is indeed pointless. I'm pretty sure that was the primary intent of of McFly not me posting it in the first place. Indeed it means nothing regardless if photoshop was involved or not. Do you agree or not?

BTW I'm not trashing the thread. Whoever started the distorted comparisons of PSP vs NDS using questionable screenshots are the ones to blame. If you're happy with PSP performance then why do you have to compare it to NDS using questionable screenshots? The millions of NDS owners are not going to suddenly convert and sell their NDS units.

 

[Cryect]

Why are we even arguing about the screen? Every review of the machine so far has commenting on how bright and stunning the screen looks; meanwhile PC-Engine is trying to form conspiracy theories off photos off the net. Riiiiiiiiiiight.

Hehe, that thought has been wandering through my head the last few pages. I really find it hard to believe every person who has taken comparison shots of the PSP and DS have set out to make the DS look bad.

Especially considering we already know the DS looks worse.

 

[PC-Engine]

Especially considering we already know the DS looks worse.

Do you have a NDS? Do you have a PSP?

PSP screen is bigger and brighter nobody is arguing that, but if you believe the NDS screen is as bad as those first screenshots demonstrate, then you're dreaming. BTW ever heard of guerilla marketing? I wouldn't be surprised is those screenshots are somehow connected to SONY and their marketing department.

BTW check out those screens of the PSP's problems...I wasn't the one to post them btw.

 

[marconelly!]

OK, I don't want to poison this thread with more DS stuff, but I will ask people from Japan on GA to flat out say what PSP screen looks like compared to DS, and on what brightness setting.

The Chinese guy making comparision photos seems valid, he's not using any AC adapters as evidenced by this picture below. I mean it's been known for a while that PSP has better, more brighter screen. Why does anyone have a problem accepting that?

 

[Paul]

The Sony PSP has a bigger brighter screen than the Nintendo DS, end of story, case closed.

Sorry, try again.