PS4 to use Cell, NOT PS3?

[Paul]

Blu-ray could easily become a PS3 "hdd" as you will, as blu-ray is rewriteable you could save games on it, and put game ad-ons you download from the internet onto the actuall game disk it'sself.

Talk about killing two birds with one stone.

 

[jvd]

Blu-ray could easily become a PS3 "hdd" as you will, as blu-ray is rewriteable you could save games on it, and put game ad-ons you download from the internet onto the actuall game disk it'sself.

Talk about killing two birds with one stone.

Unless the blu-rays are slow at writing and are expensive. Not only that but if the recordable media is expensive too . Both of us can agree on the hdds being faster at writing and reading info than the blueray would be.

 

[Paul]

How fast do you need a blu-ray to be to save a game... Or add a new car to a racing game.

 

[Paul]

A harddrive would be more expensive than putting in a blu-ray player that is the medium for ps3 games and used as a HDD.

 

[Panajev2001a]

No... PlayStation 2 should not have shipped with an HD... it would have been one more added cost...

PlayStation 3 with Blu-Ray might not need an HD... they might put a small one for some purposes, but with Blu-Ray they might not have to...

 

[Panajev2001a]

jvd,

Blu-ray 1x writing speed is 36 Mbps

 

[Gubbi]

The 250 nm GS was 279 mm^2 and the 180 nm EE was 224 mm^2 with the 250 nm EE being 240 mm^2

But initally the PS2 was expensive. This time around there's Microsoft to apply pressure. Anyone want to bet that the XBox 2 will have TIVO capabilities ? Of course harddrives will be above 400GB and cost a dime, but still...

What would be your estimate for the PU RISC cores ?

Don't know. It has to lock regions of eDRAM, set up DMA lists and schedule data packets to the APUs. If the packets are of optimal size (ie. close to size of local memory) this doesn't seem like alot of work. So probably something small, like a PPC440 but pipelined to meet the frequency target (again in-order two way superscalar should be enough, or maybe even a scalar core *gasp*).

If the size of data packets goes way down, the CELL system is likely to be dominated by packet switching overhead (which it will be for alot of tasks anyway).

Cheers
Gubbi

 

[jvd]

How fast do you need a blu-ray to be to save a game... Or add a new car to a racing game.

I dunno.

For just those not much. But look how much is done with the xbox's hardrive .

Also what if the first of the blueray media is not rewritable. Or if the first drives are not capable of that. Anyone have some def info on this . I'm curious .

 

[jvd]

jvd,

Blu-ray 1x writing speed is 36 Mbps

Thanks for the spec lots of replys while i was typing

 

[jvd]

A harddrive would be more expensive than putting in a blu-ray player that is the medium for ps3 games and used as a HDD.

Do u have any info on that ? How much is a blu ray player and how much is a hardrive ? More so how much is a rewritable blue ray player or are all the blu rays going to be rewritable and writable .

 

[Paul]

Do u have any info on that ? How much is a blu ray player and how much is a hardrive ? More so how much is a rewritable blue ray player or are all the blu rays going to be rewritable and writable .

I think you understood it wrong. I meant that it would be more expensive putting both a HDD and blu-ray drive into ps3 than if you had blu-ray becoming the HDD as well as the storage medium.

 

[Panajev2001a]

The 250 nm GS was 279 mm^2 and the 180 nm EE was 224 mm^2 with the 250 nm EE being 240 mm^2

But initally the PS2 was expensive. This time around there's Microsoft to apply pressure. Anyone want to bet that the XBox 2 will have TIVO capabilities ? Of course harddrives will be above 400GB and cost a dime, but still...

Initially PlayStation 3 will be expensive too... Microsoft will be putting pressure on Sony, but it won't be a problem if they do not have bad shortages which plagued the GS during PlayStation 2's launch in Japan and the North America...

Xbox 2 will not be cheap either and Sony will have a new 45 nm process ready ( Toshiba hopes that will be quite soon ) and with that you will be able to REALLY cut the manufacturing costs of Broadband Engine and Visualizer.

Thank you for your ideas on the PUs, btw

 

[jvd]

Do u have any info on that ? How much is a blu ray player and how much is a hardrive ? More so how much is a rewritable blue ray player or are all the blu rays going to be rewritable and writable .

I think you understood it wrong. I meant that it would be more expensive putting both a HDD and blu-ray drive into ps3 than if you had blu-ray becoming the HDD as well as the storage medium.

Okay. But what I'm saying is a rewritable blue ray drive (which would be needed to write and store info otherwise it be really expensive buying new blue ray discs all the time) may be more expensive than a blue ray player and a hardrive or in the case of the xbox 2 a rewritable dvd player and hardrive ?

 

[Paul]

Blu-Ray = rewritable, blu-ray is a rewritable medium.

 

[jvd]

Blu-Ray = rewritable, blu-ray is a rewritable medium.

Yes dvd is a rewritable medium but not all drives are capable of it. I'm asking if they will all be capable of it and where u get your info from .

 

[Paul]

Nine leading companies today announced that they have jointly established the basic specifications for a next generation large capacity optical disc video recording format called "Blu-ray Disc". The Blu-ray Disc enables the recording, rewriting and play back of up to 27 gigabytes (GB) of data on a single sided single layer 12cm CD/DVD size disc using a 405nm blue-violet laser. The companies that established the basic specifications for the Blu-ray Disc are: Hitachi Ltd., LG Electronics Inc., Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd., Pioneer Corporation, Royal Philips Electronics, Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd., Sharp Corporation, Sony Corporation, and Thomson Multimedia.

http://www.blu-ray.com/


Without the rewriting ability it's not blu-ray but rather a blue laser disk player. Blu-ray makes perfect sense for ps3 to use instead of a HDD IMO.
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[Paul]

Also, i'm not even sure DVDRW was even in existance when ps2 was being built, so it couldn't even be something to be used. I could be wrong though, but with blu-ray the recordable part is here on the get-go.

 

[jvd]

Nine leading companies today announced that they have jointly established the basic specifications for a next generation large capacity optical disc video recording format called "Blu-ray Disc". The Blu-ray Disc enables the recording, rewriting and play back of up to 27 gigabytes (GB) of data on a single sided single layer 12cm CD/DVD size disc using a 405nm blue-violet laser. The companies that established the basic specifications for the Blu-ray Disc are: Hitachi Ltd., LG Electronics Inc., Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd., Pioneer Corporation, Royal Philips Electronics, Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd., Sharp Corporation, Sony Corporation, and Thomson Multimedia.

http://www.blu-ray.com/


Without the rewriting ability it's not blu-ray but rather a blue laser disk player. Blu-ray makes perfect sense for ps3 to use instead of a HDD IMO.

[/quote]thanks for the link . Guess we have to wait for products to come out to find out relative price .

 

[nonamer]

jvd,

Blu-ray 1x writing speed is 36 Mbps

Problem with Rewritable DVDs is they have much slower seek times and have small storage capacity. I would still have a HD over a DVD-"RW".

 

[Vince]

Problem with Rewritable DVDs is they have much slower seek times and have small storage capacity. I would still have a HD over a DVD-"RW".

I wouldn't, not if I was to offer Digital Content via broadband distibution. Hell, put a derivative of Sony's OpenMG on PS3 and let people buy Sony Digitial Content and save them to a BlueRay.

Also, how is 30GB small? Thats the storage on this very laptop in total - on one disk.