PS4 Pro Speculation (PS4K NEO Kaio-Ken-Kutaragi-Kaz Neo-san)

Yeah, the Titan X. I don't think they're are going to put the 7nm equivalent of the Titan X in a console but never say never.

 

Here I was thinking the Scorpio was going to be 6TFlops, not 7, anyway, I disagree. Neither the Neo nor Scorpio will have a graphics advantage unless they forget 4K. Will a 6TFlops Scorpio be able to render PS4 level graphics @30fps in 4K....I seriously doubt it would. For the Neo and Scorpio to be successful at being stronger consoles they need to move away from native 4K rendering and look at 1440p or lower and spend the extra resources on higher framerates and better graphic fidelity.

This is where we question 4K in general. I think 4K should be an option, but not the be all and end all. I think the Neo could potentially offer 2 options for the Neo-mode. They could offer an upscaled 4k version of the PS4 original, maybe with a more solid framerate. Option two would be better graphics and higher framerate but at 1080p only. Yes of course there will be advantages when using PSVR, with higher framerates etc.

When do you think Sony could release a PS5 that has 10-12TFlop GPU? Is this achievable within the next 3 years? I would seriously doubt that. I do agree though that to see true 4K gaming with a proper graphical boost, we will need in excess of 10TFlops for that to happen, I just don't see that happening anytime soon.

I expect the PS5 to release at the end of 2019 or at the latest, early 2020, but would seriously doubt they would be able to get over 10TFlops.

 

Once again. As nice as a supposed supersampling console would be (render at 4k, output at 720p/1080p?), the main reason it doesn't happen is capitalism. Growing number of ever advancing TVs at ever growing resolutions need to be sold. Capitalism is evil. Power to the people. Next!

 

Babcat wants rendering at 720p for photorealism and then upscaled to 4k.

 

Rendering at 720p + photorealism = computer says no

 

It's surprisingly make sense

 

Wii have a product for U.

 

8x to 10x per generation.
3x per mid-gen.
1.4x per year is a good average.

GPUs increase by 3x every 2 nodes.
We get two node jumps every 3 or 4 years.

15TF in 2020 doesn't sound that far fetched on 7nm?

 

It does change it for me. Mid cycle upgrades are things I never worried about before and never asked for. Now I am thinking about upgrading and I even wonder if devs will be squeezing as much as possible out of the console as they used to when the specs were fixed.

 

Then ignore it.

they are still competing with other devs for PS4 owners' money. And the techniques used to get the most from Neo will apply to PS4. The only time PS4 will be dropped for optimisation is if the market shows gamers want Neo and PS4 software sales dive off a cliff. Until then (which isn't going to happen), PS4 will be targeted like any other console.

 

Human psychology doesnt work that way.
Many products we wouldnt care about if we didnt know they existed

Not convinced

 

Well then your argument is against capitalism. If Sony introducing Neo is able to get people like you who wouldn't buy a new console to buy a new console, they're job is done. If you can't resist that, you'll be doing your part for the economy.

Why? Explain the reasoning for devs not working hard to get the most from PS4 when it's the dominant platform.

 

I guess we'll see how that ramps up as Samsung is planning to move to EUV for their "7nm" gen.

 

Fabrication and investment into said infrastructure costs, complexity etc are factors here not being counted for. May not exactly hit the timelines you are proposing here. IIRC we are now hitting the harder part of fabrication.


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Thats a dominant but flawed impression of the economy which goes against even its own interpretation.

When there is pressure and only one option, there is only one guaranteed outcome. When there is an additional option there are more outcomes.
Even if the PS4 vanilla is not squeezed into the maximum, it will still be a dominant platform together with PS4 Neo.

 

720P is MORE than enough resolution to show a photorealistic image.

I watch every television show and movie on a 720P display and every live action television show looks fully realistic with actors who look "alive" and not like animated characters. Upscaled to 1080P, the 720P image would look even better.

Please don't taunt me by saying the WiiU is the solution for what I want. The WiiU does NOT have the processing power to produce near photorealistic games. However, a PS5 with a 10-12TFlop GPU could produce AMAZINGLY photorealistic games at 720P and 30FPS. They could look VERY CLOSE to a live action television show like, "The Walking Dead."

Even a 4.2TFlop PS4 NEO could produce a GREAT looking 720P 30FPS game, but targetting 1400P and 60FPS would eat up ANY extra graphical power.

 

babcat, your passion for photorealism has to be so consuming, you just have to wait for it, it won't happen overnight.

7 days to go... Curiosity