PS3 shown before XB2

[Carl B]

Does six months launch difference really afford Sony that much room in terms of specs? By the time that X2 launches... Sony should be pinned down too...

The fact that the xbox360 will launch in the western markets first while the ps3 will launch in Japan first gives the illusion that the ps3 is many months away from the xbox360 while the truth is that the difference in TRUE launch windows between the 2 will probaly be 4 months(Nov2005-March 2006).
That,coupled with the viral marketing of thousands of sony fanboys on the net,gives the illusion that the ps3 will be massively superior compared to the xbox360.I've even read dreamcast mentions even though the dreamcast was actually 2 years old hardware when the ps2(another dream machine according to the same hype) launched in Japan.

It will be funny comparing ACTUAL games on the 2 consoles.The MS presentation in May will be full of playable games while, the sony one will probably be some tech demos.Thank God that the ps3 will launch soon after the xbox360 and we won't have to bear two years of propaganda like we had during the dreamcast's first years on the market.

I don't disagree with anything you say, except that the 6 months me and blakjedi were talking about WAS for the Japanese launch, since in the US it will be launching probably a full year later. So I agree that Sony does not have a year to react; but I do disagree with the notion that they have no time at all.

All that being said though, the ONLY things I could really see Sony adding in that time would be perhaps a Cell with more SPE's (assuming for the moment the present version has 4) and possibly more RAM. Maybe more functionaility on the OS side of things as well. There is just not that much either of these companies can do at this point in the development cycle to tweak things. If SOny will have an opportunity, it will be the chance to possibly put the PS3 in a better looking casing than the XBox 2 - and small things like that CAN translate into differences in sales - especially in Japan.

 

[Inane_Dork]

If Nintendo plans on sensing player movements via the controller, they are basically telling their followers to play for 30 minutes at most before moving on. Can you imagine having to control a gyro + gamepad for 2 hours straight? No thanks. I prefer to changes positions without the game going all screwy on me.

 

[Cobra101]

Personally I think they should be, but in the Gaming forum Univ. Soilder posted info on company profits and Nintendo is STILL #1, almost 2x Sony and 3.5x EA.

Well, maybe Nintendo could stop hording all the cash they make and try and figure out how to market a console.

Great, they make a ton of cash put the persception is they are going down the toilet in the console arena.


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[pc999]

Only at the begining, it dont take long time to a person get used, and get in fit .

 

[Carl B]

Personally I think they should be, but in the Gaming forum Univ. Soilder posted info on company profits and Nintendo is STILL #1, almost 2x Sony and 3.5x EA.

Well, maybe Nintendo could stop hording all the cash they make and try and figure out how to market a console.

Great, they make a ton of cash put the persception is they are going down the toilet in the console arena.

Yeah but who the hell cares what the perception is? If you ARE making the most money, then you ARE making the most money - that's all there is. It's not like there's some trophy awarded at the end of each year for #1 in units sold. Presumably these companies are in business to be successful businesses, not win a beauty pageant.

I give much respect to Nintendo; I agree with you that their future marketing could be improved to prevent Sony and MS from eating into their pie, but as things stand now, they are certainly no weakling.

 

[Cobra101]

Well, Nintendo is making money but is anyone making big bucks on the GAmecube?

The decreasing console marketshare is certainly going to kick them in the but one of these days.

 

[PC-Engine]

Does six months launch difference really afford Sony that much room in terms of specs? By the time that X2 launches... Sony should be pinned down too...

The fact that the xbox360 will launch in the western markets first while the ps3 will launch in Japan first gives the illusion that the ps3 is many months away from the xbox360 while the truth is that the difference in TRUE launch windows between the 2 will probaly be 4 months(Nov2005-March 2006).
That,coupled with the viral marketing of thousands of sony fanboys on the net,gives the illusion that the ps3 will be massively superior compared to the xbox360.I've even read dreamcast mentions even though the dreamcast was actually 2 years old hardware when the ps2(another dream machine according to the same hype) launched in Japan.

It will be funny comparing ACTUAL games on the 2 consoles.The MS presentation in May will be full of playable games while, the sony one will probably be some tech demos.Thank God that the ps3 will launch soon after the xbox360 and we won't have to bear two years of propaganda like we had during the dreamcast's first years on the market.

Amen.

 

[Acert93]

Personally I think they should be, but in the Gaming forum Univ. Soilder posted info on company profits and Nintendo is STILL #1, almost 2x Sony and 3.5x EA.

Well, maybe Nintendo could stop hording all the cash they make and try and figure out how to market a console.

Great, they make a ton of cash put the persception is they are going down the toilet in the console arena.

That is the perception of Hard core gamers who post on internet forums and oggle over the latest version of EGM.

But what about everyone else? The casual consumer and Nintendo/Mario/Zelda/Metroid/Pokemon/Fzero fans? There is a market, and obvisouly a profitable market, outside of us. Yes, I would be more happy if I could get my Nintendo and hardcore gaming fix on the Nintendo platform, but Nintendo needs to do what is good for NINTENDO and NINTENDO CUSTOMERS.

The perception among parents I know is they like Nintendo. "Nintendo Games" are ones you can play with your children and/or in front of your children. This cannot be said of God of War or GTA. Right or wrong, Nintendo has chosen not to seek after this market--and somehow they continue to make a profit.

So while all us hardcore gamers can complain about them "going down the toilet" because they are not actively courting us, the fact is the market they do have is more profitable than Sony's and EA's. Until they start losing money for 4 quarters in a row with a negative progonosis on growth I am not sure it is fair to say they are going down the toilet--it just seems that way to us hardcore gamers who want their games

 

[Pozer]

Personally I think they should be, but in the Gaming forum Univ. Soilder posted info on company profits and Nintendo is STILL #1, almost 2x Sony and 3.5x EA.

Well, maybe Nintendo could stop hording all the cash they make and try and figure out how to market a console.

Great, they make a ton of cash put the persception is they are going down the toilet in the console arena.

That is the perception of Hard core gamers who post on internet forums and oggle over the latest version of EGM.

But what about everyone else? The casual consumer and Nintendo/Mario/Zelda/Metroid/Pokemon/Fzero fans? There is a market, and obvisouly a profitable market, outside of us. Yes, I would be more happy if I could get my Nintendo and hardcore gaming fix on the Nintendo platform, but Nintendo needs to do what is good for NINTENDO and NINTENDO CUSTOMERS.

The perception among parents I know is they like Nintendo. "Nintendo Games" are ones you can play with your children and/or in front of your children. This cannot be said of God of War or GTA. Right or wrong, Nintendo has chosen not to seek after this market--and somehow they continue to make a profit.

So while all us hardcore gamers can complain about them "going down the toilet" because they are not actively courting us, the fact is the market they do have is more profitable than Sony's and EA's. Until they start losing money for 4 quarters in a row with a negative progonosis on growth I am not sure it is fair to say they are going down the toilet--it just seems that way to us hardcore gamers who want their games

agreed. One of the best experiences I had this gen was play mario golf with my friends. I have a friend that actually looks like wawigi (spelling). Had nintendo not cancelled Mario Football at Retro Studios I would have snagged a GC in a second. Sadly though mnay GC owners didnt buy enough software outside of the exclusives. That will be a hinderance for Nintendo when nextgen developers decide which systems to develope for.

Nintendo can be happy with profitability and a smaller market share. However, this also means the margin of error is smaller. For instance, if Im selling lemonade to 100 people and 20 stop buying, that hurts. But if Im selling lemonade to 10 people and 6 stop buying. Thats even worse.

 

[Qroach]

Had nintendo not cancelled Mario Football at Retro Studios I would have snagged a GC in a second.

me thinks you may be suprised at E3.

 

[Acert93]

Had nintendo not cancelled Mario Football at Retro Studios I would have snagged a GC in a second.

Their is a Disney Football game but I heard it was not very good I was hoping it was a decent game so I could teach my wife football, but alas it stunk. Mario Football/Baseball/Soccer/Basketball/Hockey/Tennis/Golf--I can dig all of those Make it "Nintendo Sports" and throw in Mario Kart. The volleyball in Mario Party 4 I believe was pretty good for a mini game also. IMO they should dedicate a quality studio to make these types of games and make sure each generation has at least one quality version.

While I am at it, I never understood why console companies did not leverage existing games. If they release Mario Kart in year #2 but do not plan a full sequal, in year #5 they should offer the same game with a ton of new tracks at a discount price, like $30. Basically like a PC expansion pack (the trade off would be at least 2 years between each release to ensure max sales of the expansion since it would be a stand alone game). The $20 titles are great for pulling in people who did not buy the original title, but what about the millions who bought the original and want more? Developing a couple dozen new tracks on an already established engine and game balance should be pretty easy comparatively, and the market is there... oh well. I just get tired of knowing that with Sony/MS/Nintendo that if you really liked a game sometimes you need to wait 3-5 more years for the sequal. I guess they want you to buy there other stuff...