PS3 Firmware 1.80 - PS/PS2/DVD upscaling, DLNA and more!
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Ok, here's a comparison of the PS2 upscaling features with the original God of War. Each photo is a 100% crop, first at 480p (enabled in the game), then upscaling to 1080p, and finally upscaling to 1080p with smoothing enabled. There is a smoothing option available in the game itself and this was disabled in all cases.
Take a look and see which one you prefer. Frankly, I'll take the sharper 480p image over the upscaled/filtered versions. However, 1080p upscaling is nice for games which don't support progressive scan.
Additionally, there is a comparison of the RGB Full/Limited (BTB/WTW) setting with the Uncharted video and VF5. Unfortunately, I could not compare this in Blu-ray or DVD movies because the setting is reset to limited when I start a movie. This is a shame because I definitely prefer the darker full-range RGB option.
I didn't do any crops from VF5 because I thought it was redundant, but if you want to download the 5 MB originals, you can flip them back in forth with tabs in your browser.
Link:
http://www.aceshardware.com/brian/PS3_FW18/PS3_FW18_Comparison.html
Take a look and see which one you prefer. Frankly, I'll take the sharper 480p image over the upscaled/filtered versions. However, 1080p upscaling is nice for games which don't support progressive scan.
Additionally, there is a comparison of the RGB Full/Limited (BTB/WTW) setting with the Uncharted video and VF5. Unfortunately, I could not compare this in Blu-ray or DVD movies because the setting is reset to limited when I start a movie. This is a shame because I definitely prefer the darker full-range RGB option.
I didn't do any crops from VF5 because I thought it was redundant, but if you want to download the 5 MB originals, you can flip them back in forth with tabs in your browser.
Link:
http://www.aceshardware.com/brian/PS3_FW18/PS3_FW18_Comparison.html
inefficient
Veteran
It's kind of impossible to try to show good comparisons between RGB Full/Limited by just photographing your TV.
Mostly because even if your camera could capture the full range, almost all PC monitors are not going to show it. It's just going to end up looking darker and show loss of detail compared to Limited. Which is not the point of the Full range option.
Mostly because even if your camera could capture the full range, almost all PC monitors are not going to show it. It's just going to end up looking darker and show loss of detail compared to Limited. Which is not the point of the Full range option.
Not completely true. The contrast range is considerably higher - in my case that means the blacks are considerably blacker than they were before, with the same white levels. This shows up in pictures easily enough, as I think many before after pictures online have already shown.
However, since many cameras have dynamic contrast algorithms, they will screw up any difference. In this case, I'm sorry ban25, but I don't think your current TV/Camera/Settings combo is up to the task ...
Yeah, it seemed TVersity had a problem with green bars and colours being out of place when transcoding to resolutions other than the native one..but there's a new patch out already that supposedly fixes this:
http://tversity.blogspot.com/
djskribbles
Legend
explanation of RGB full/limited (sspears post):
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10630977&&#post10630977
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10630977&&#post10630977
Here is a joke of an article by IGN on upscaling. Being IGN their upscaled images have been saved as small SD images....make sense to anyone? They've basically upscaled on their tv, and then downscaled it in their image...good one. http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/792/792156p1.html
I saw that, of course they are really talking about smoothing. "Fact or fiction", how about some journalism instead of incompetent sensationalism?
Yup strange. You start getting all these "upscaling" makes it blurry. No that's smoothing! To see the effect of upscaling...you need to show 1080p HD pictures, plus a stretched 480p/i image of the original on an HDTV. Then you can show the difference on the net. You can't just show two 480p images grrrrr.
Better but still a green line at the bottom of some and now audio is borked on anything high resolution (960). Also, my mp4 videos (iPod) don't play.
Back to Nero.
Doesn't seem right to me. If I change the option to Full I can see the difference right away. Obviously, this option only works for RGB, and the Super White is for the YcPbR or whatever it is called.
Though for my TV it needs to by in 'Dynamic Contrast' mode to fully notice the difference. This seems to be the only mode in which it has the full color spectrum available. Whereas normally in this mode you would have the TV change the brightness settings automatically to match the picture being shown in such a way that the range of colors available in the picture is best represented in the wider color spectrum (gamut?), now it doesn't have to make any changes and instead you get to see the full range all the time.
By the way, I used my crappy webcam to make a little video of the new Photo Album 2 Slideshow option:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MynY3WLv49Y
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djskribbles
Legend
sspears certainly knows what (she?) is talking about, but i think it varies from set to set. but fact is, the ps3 is not really doing the remapping correctly. for some, it may give better results setting it to Full, but not for everyone. i've heard several different results when people set it to Full. for me, it reduces black levels/brightness too low for games, but is fine for movies. i've heard others say it produces weird banding issues. some say it looks good and helps with black levels. so for me, i'm leaving mine at output=RGB (i'm using an HDMI to DVI cable for my LCD TV and it doesn't support Y Cb Cr) and RGB=Limited so i can use a universal brightness setting for games and movies.Doesn't seem right to me. If I change the option to Full I can see the difference right away. Obviously, this option only works for RGB, and the Super White is for the YcPbR or whatever it is called.
Could be tied to HDMI 1.3 ...
Well, it's essential that you put your TV in the right mode, or else it won't matter. Actually, if I don't put my TV in the proper mode (two options, one use wide color setting, and the other is dynamic), there won't be any difference whatsoever.
Spears does know what he's talking about, but there's no sweeping generalizations can be made here. Inefficient points out some good insights in post #109 that lend aid in understanding where and when (and why) one would go for RGB 'Full.' For *most* video playback situations going Y Pb/Cb Superwhite will give the best results... but then again from a film/video perspective, that was the original reason for that colorspace inclusion in the first place way back in firmware 1.3 or whatever. For the majority of people, the majority of the time (games, XMB, etc..), they're going to be dealing in RGB (and likely Limited) anyway.
Anyway, good update here.
Anyway, good update here.
Well I turned on DLNA on my LaCie NAS and it found the drive and my iTunes library.
But it doesn't support AAC apparently.
Lot of "Unsupported Data" corresponding to rips I made using the AAC encoder.
Doesn't the PSP support AAC?
Come on Sony, get with it, even MS supports AAC by now.
Hey but I'll take it and expect that they will do it in an update some day, although maybe they don't want to pay the license for a decoder.
Hmm, it's not finding any photos, even though I believe they're mostly JPEGs.
And a lot of "unsupported data" in the video folder. I have mostly podcasts and a couple of rips, which are all probably H.264 or .mp4 files.
But it doesn't support AAC apparently.
Lot of "Unsupported Data" corresponding to rips I made using the AAC encoder.
Doesn't the PSP support AAC?
Come on Sony, get with it, even MS supports AAC by now.
Hey but I'll take it and expect that they will do it in an update some day, although maybe they don't want to pay the license for a decoder.
Hmm, it's not finding any photos, even though I believe they're mostly JPEGs.
And a lot of "unsupported data" in the video folder. I have mostly podcasts and a couple of rips, which are all probably H.264 or .mp4 files.
PS3 supports AAC, MP3, ATRAC and WMA natively. The last one needs to be enabled from Settings explicitly.
Fairplay protected AACs are not supported on any platform other than Apple's.
What you're experiencing is most likely DLNA specification/implementation issues. The mandatory codecs are: LPCM, JPEG and MPEG 2. So all DLNA devices should understand these formats.
The Media Servers will either send them as is or transcode them based on the actual client specs.
Once PS3 becomes a popular DLNA client... I expect most vendors to update their software/firmware to be compatible.
Fairplay protected AACs are not supported on any platform other than Apple's.
What you're experiencing is most likely DLNA specification/implementation issues. The mandatory codecs are: LPCM, JPEG and MPEG 2. So all DLNA devices should understand these formats.
The Media Servers will either send them as is or transcode them based on the actual client specs.
Once PS3 becomes a popular DLNA client... I expect most vendors to update their software/firmware to be compatible.
Yeah I only turn it on or off from a web admin page.
It scans the drive and indexes the media types. But it wasn't indexing all the audio or video and none of the photos.
Looks like I will have to give it some time though.
Yeah firmware upgrade sounds good.
More than likely, this NAS won't do any transcoding. It shows up as either a Samba or AFP mount, although I'm not sure what their DLNA server is doing.
But it likely doesn't have the horsepower to do any kind of fast transcoding in real time -- only paid $200 for it.
I know that if I just played a file on the NAS, the client computer would have to run the decoder. That's all I expect and the PS3 should be able to decode most media formats out there.
It scans the drive and indexes the media types. But it wasn't indexing all the audio or video and none of the photos.
Looks like I will have to give it some time though.
Yeah firmware upgrade sounds good.
More than likely, this NAS won't do any transcoding. It shows up as either a Samba or AFP mount, although I'm not sure what their DLNA server is doing.
But it likely doesn't have the horsepower to do any kind of fast transcoding in real time -- only paid $200 for it.
I know that if I just played a file on the NAS, the client computer would have to run the decoder. That's all I expect and the PS3 should be able to decode most media formats out there.
Mize,
I have a LaCie Network Attached Storage (NAS). It supports DLNA, as does the PS3.
So I paid about $200 for this LaCie Ethernet Disk Mini, which has 500 GB of storage and a gigabit port. Check out the reviews or Google it.
I copied my iTunes library onto it and enabled DLNA on it through a web admin interface. Like I said, right now the AAC files are showing as "Unsupported Data" in the XMB.
Now, if you don't have a DLNA piece of hardware, then it sounds like you can get DLNA software servers. That's what this TVersity and Nero sounds like, DLNA for Windows so that people can serve up their media collections and the PS3 is able to find it.
If you have a Mac, I'm not sure if there is a SW DLNA solution. Check versiontracker.com for this software.
I have a LaCie Network Attached Storage (NAS). It supports DLNA, as does the PS3.
So I paid about $200 for this LaCie Ethernet Disk Mini, which has 500 GB of storage and a gigabit port. Check out the reviews or Google it.
I copied my iTunes library onto it and enabled DLNA on it through a web admin interface. Like I said, right now the AAC files are showing as "Unsupported Data" in the XMB.
Now, if you don't have a DLNA piece of hardware, then it sounds like you can get DLNA software servers. That's what this TVersity and Nero sounds like, DLNA for Windows so that people can serve up their media collections and the PS3 is able to find it.
If you have a Mac, I'm not sure if there is a SW DLNA solution. Check versiontracker.com for this software.
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