PS3 costs drive Sony's Q2 profit downwards

[jvd]

...but you're quite happy to bring up unverified sales numbers from IGN which you 'cant even be bothered to find'? It is my understanding that if there was ever a reason to visit GAF it's for their accurate sales data sourced from NPD numbers.

compared to your numbers where the author admits they aren't right and that he "figured " them out .

Anyone hear can go search the ign forums .

 

[Mmmkay]

compared to your numbers where the author admits they aren't right and that he "figured " them out .

Anyone hear can go search the ign forums .

I'm trying really really hard not to start with an ad-hom right now. Presenting 'numbers' as fact without providing a linked source, any evidence to support the authenticity of the numbers, and an unwillingness to find said numbers when called out on it is all somehow much more of a reputable source than what I presented to you??

Astonishing, absolutely astonishing.

That author sourced all of his data from NPD threads. Two of those figures were in question, where the numbers were provided as a NDS/GBA combined value and he relied upon the %differences which were announced every month or information from posters who were in posession of the actual numbers. This article covers total DS sales up until the end of June 2005(1.89million) and was provided as part of Nintendo's financial review. September figures were given directly*, only July and August are in question.

So lets play the numbers game shall we? Your understanding is that the DS has sold less than the PSP, if that were true then its numbers would have to be less than 2million. Without those two months of sales data for the DS, it stands at 2.054mil(1.89+0.164) which puts it almost exactly at where the PSP is. Are we supposed to believe that the Nintendo DS sold zero units in July and August?

That is as close as you're going to get as an official total without asking Nintendo themseleves. So unless your 'source' happened to be a genuine Nintendo employee I would really like to know why you support your information more.

Oh and anyone here needs to be a paid subscriber to search IGN.

*(approx) here means tens-hundreds out. The source is fully vouched for on GAF.

 

[mckmas8808]

Look Mmmkay you are right. I've seen those numbers on GAF and have been following them for months now. They are way more trust worthy than IGN boards it seems. It's just that jvd can't prove his point that UMDs are selling due to the lack of good games for the PSP that's all. People have to face it, UMDs are selling great so far.

 

[jvd]

Look Mmmkay you are right. I've seen those numbers on GAF and have been following them for months now. They are way more trust worthy than IGN boards it seems. It's just that jvd can't prove his point that UMDs are selling due to the lack of good games for the PSP that's all. People have to face it, UMDs are selling great so far.

Once again the author admits they aren't right .


So MMMMkkyyy is using numbers that are known to be false to prove a point that he is right ?

Yea that works out real well there . As for me i don't feel like going to search for numbers in a forum that is most likely 100 or 200 pages further along than when it was posted in a thread that started out with a diffrent topic .

 

[mckmas8808]

Once again the author admits they aren't right .


So MMMMkkyyy is using numbers that are known to be false to prove a point that he is right ?

I know for DARN sure Mmmkay is not using false numbers. Those numbers are from people that actually see the NPD report. Sorry jvd you are just so wrong on all fronts on this one. Just fess up and admit your intial point was wrong. It's ok, I make wrong statements too sometime, yet I admit it when I notice it.

 

[jvd]

I know for DARN sure Mmmkay is not using false numbers. Those numbers are from people that actually see the NPD report. Sorry jvd you are just so wrong on all fronts on this one. Just fess up and admit your intial point was wrong. It's ok, I make wrong statements too sometime, yet I admit it when I notice it.

You just have

From his source

NDS Software NPD LTD: (through Sept/05)
HW = 2,240,895 (Note - this is best info I have, although a couple months of the data have not been confirmed)
Tie Ratio = 2.08

 

[Mmmkay]

You just have

From his source

I'm sure this is all just a misunderstanding and you just forgot to read this part of my post:

So lets play the numbers game shall we? Your understanding is that the DS has sold less than the PSP, if that were true then its numbers would have to be less than 2million. Without those two months of sales data for the DS, it stands at 2.054mil(1.89+0.164) which puts it almost exactly at where the PSP is. Are we supposed to believe that the Nintendo DS sold zero units in July and August?

Since you were so adamant that he was wrong in his calculations, I removed him from the equation. 1.89million is from Nintendo and 164,000 is from Sept NPD. None of the NDS/GBA combined numbers were used.

 

[jvd]

Got links ?

 

[Mmmkay]

Got links ?

You really didn't read my post did you...

 

[mckmas8808]

Got links ?

His earlier post had links. What's going on?

 

[jvd]

His earlier post had links. What's going on?

his earlier post pointed to data that was not offical and was figured out to be close to correct by the original poster .

THe original poster said there were months of missing data .

He is now suggesting that there isn't any missing data .

 

[Mmmkay]

his earlier post pointed to data that was not offical and was figured out to be close to correct by the original poster .

THe original poster said there were months of missing data .

He is now suggesting that there isn't any missing data .

Jeez.. http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showpost.php?p=611801&postcount=102 <-- This post. Scroll up a bit will ya.

He is right here by the way... My point was that there are two months we have no absolute certainty for so I removed them. Withstanding this, the DS is still ahead of the PSP. Have a rough guess how many units the DS sold in July and August (Nintendogs launched at the end of August). Would you say around oh I don't know.. 200,000?

 

[jvd]

...but you're quite happy to bring up unverified sales numbers from IGN which you 'cant even be bothered to find'? It is my understanding that if there was ever a reason to visit GAF it's for their accurate sales data sourced from NPD numbers.

So lets play the numbers game shall we? Your understanding is that the DS has sold less than the PSP, if that were true then its numbers would have to be less than 2million. Without those two months of sales data for the DS, it stands at 2.054mil(1.89+0.164) which puts it almost exactly at where the PSP is. Are we supposed to believe that the Nintendo DS sold zero units in July and August?

IF we go by those numbers the two would be almost even . However we don't know what the numbers from the other two months are . Both which were soft months (till the end of august) for the ds . Sept was the first full month nintendogs was out for and it only sold 180k units .

The numbers i read put the psp ahead by 15k units . Depending on what was sold in those two months the two can be very close .

I can be wrong as can those numbers. But then again his software tie in numbers will be wrong .


Also the links you sent me show they have no numbers for the psp for sept

http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=67146

So where is he getting sept numbers from in the thread u linked me to ?

also where are the tie in rates figured out .

 

[Mmmkay]

Also the links you sent me show they have no numbers for the psp for sept

http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=67146

So where is he getting sept numbers from in the thread u linked me to ?

Here, later on in the thread he confirmed the more accurate DS number and the PSP number.

Please define a 'soft' month. This post puts the DS between 62-100k for July. August numbers were given as a percentage increase over July. Which puts July at between 78-126k. The absolute minimum that the DS can be ahead of the PSP is 140k. This post from another member who is privvy to NPD numbers would indicate that the difference is 180k.

 

[jvd]

that thread has someone posting with no links .

Sorry how does this confirm anything ? can i sign up at gaf get a few posts under my belt and just post things and its taken as offical ?

err your second link is two people guessing what the numbers will be . How is this acurate or true ?

Third link again up 26% of what ? From numbers that were guessed at ?

Last thread with approx in the ds numbers .


And finaly where do the tie in numbers come from ? anywhere offical or just off unoffical and made up info from gaf ?

 

[Mmmkay]

that thread has someone posting with no links .

Sorry how does this confirm anything ? can i sign up at gaf get a few posts under my belt and just post things and its taken as offical ?

They are the sources and they've been doing it for years. You may as well start discrediting everyone who claims to be a developer here while you're at it with that attitude.

 

[mckmas8808]

And finaly where do the tie in numbers come from ? anywhere offical or just off unoffical and made up info from gaf ?

The numbers come from the NPD report. They are not made up from the GAF. It's the closes numbers we have on the internet actually.