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[PC-Engine]

Well you can find issues with any brand tv, especially SONY

Sure, of course one of the issues with the Sony is that "it has the best CRT picture available".

But in terms of relative reliability, I believe Zeniths & Panasonic fare worse than even Sony. Like I said, Sanyo is actually one of the most reliable (according to CR).

Not for the same price

Also a CRT without the circuitry to back it up means nothing that's why SONY PC montiors don't get very good reviews.


I heard SONY has issues with it's 16:9 squeeze modes in certain models. It over squeezes the picture making everything look squashed

 

[London Geezer]

Some time ago DeanoC(I think, or someone else?) was saying in another thread how devs are thinking about 720p as being the standard for next-gen, so think about that.

But don't blame me if, having spent the money, it turns out that it doesn't become the standard!

Standard as in "the only other resolution supported other than 480i" or standard as in "the only res supported. Period"? Cause the latter would be suicide.

 

[passerby]

Standard as in "the only other resolution supported other than 480i"

That one.

 

[Ty]

Not for the same price

"Best available" means "best available". Don't tell me now (after your rant about LCDs) that you don't understand this. Anyhow I can get the 34XBR960 for ~1450 though MSRP = 2200ish. But hey, if you can't afford it then sure, get what you think is best for you - it's your money and in the end I don't care how you spend it.

Also a CRT without the circuitry to back it up means nothing that's why SONY PC montiors don't get very good reviews.

Pretty much nonsense considering that we're not talking about PC monitors AND the 34XBR910 is considered to be the "best available CRT TV" (960 - available in a few weeks has a further refined tube plus other goodies like an ATSC tuner). Heck, I'm not even sure Sony really makes CRT monitors anymore (in other words they've moved away quite a bit from this market).

I heard SONY has issues with it's 16:9 squeeze modes in certain models. It over squeezes the picture making everything look squashed

And the Zenith you listed isn't widely available anymore (being phased out for a new model) & 1080i seems to lock it into 16:9. Squeeze mode? I forgot, you suggested a 4:3 TV. Hell, the Sanyo is a much better model than the Zenith. Anyhow we can go around all day and night which is "better" but in the end you'd only end up saying on they are both similar because they both use off the shelf parts. Then an engineer would come here, correct you, and you'd only go off on him basically telling him that he doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

[PC-Engine]

"Best available" means "best available". Don't tell me now (after your rant about LCDs) that you don't understand this. Anyhow I can get the 34XBR960 for ~1450 though MSRP = 2200ish. But hey, if you can't afford it then sure, get what you think is best for you - it's your money and in the end I don't care how you spend it.

Whether I can afford it or not is irrelevent. Deepak was asking for a tv set in the $400-$500 range. Where can he find this super SONY model in that price range? Um..uh..there aren't any. SONY has NOTHING even remotely comparable to that Zenith in that price range..end of discussion.

Pretty much nonsense considering that we're not talking about PC monitors AND the 34XBR910 is considered to be the "best available CRT TV" (960 - available in a few weeks has a further refined tube plus other goodies like an ATSC tuner). Heck, I'm not even sure Sony really makes CRT monitors anymore (in other words they've moved away quite a bit from this market).

Is it $400-$500? Didn't think so. BTW you were bragging about SONY's tubes so I brought up the fact that a great tube means nothing, nada, zilch.

And the Zenith you listed isn't widely available anymore (being phased out for a new model) & 1080i seems to lock it into 16:9. Squeeze mode? I forgot, you suggested a 4:3 TV. Hell, the Sanyo is a much better model than the Zenith. Anyhow we can go around all day and night which is "better" but in the end you'd only end up saying on they are both similar because they both use off the shelf parts. Then an engineer would come here, correct you, and you'd only go off on him basically telling him that he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Excuses are like @ssholes...

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Find me a better tv from SONY at that price. BTW if you don't know what 16:9 squeeze mode is for a 4:3 CRT then you shouldn't even be arguing.

 

[London Geezer]

Find me a better tv from SONY at that price

Impossible. At the same level of quality, Sony products are always more expensive than the competitors. Always been like that, always will be. they can afford to stick a premium on their electronics cause they know that many people out there are ready to spend that little more to ensure "it's a Sony".

But when did even this thread turn into a Sony bash-a-thon?

 

[rabidrabbit]

...the minute PC-Engine entered ?

 

[PC-Engine]

The thing about SONY products is that most of them are overrated and overpriced. Sometimes you actually get less by paying more for a SONY model. Just because it has the SONY brand doesn't mean it's the best. I'm afraid it's a false sense of security. SONY brand alone means nothing...

Some people would like to believe SONY products are the Ferraris of their respective product categories...keep dreaming.

 

[London Geezer]

Thanks for your insight, PC-Engine, it was badly needed.

 

[rabidrabbit]

The thing about SONY products is that most of them are overrated and overpriced. Sometimes you actually get less by paying more for a SONY model. Just because it has the SONY brand doesn't mean it's the best. I'm afraid it's a false sense of security. SONY brand alone means nothing...

Some people would like to believe SONY products are the Ferraris of their respective product categories...keep dreaming.

It is indeed the Sony brand that 'means'.

It is also true that you often pay more because it's a Sony, even though you'd get the same features and quality with lower cost from some another manufacturer.

But it is not true that all Sony products, in all Sony product lines share the same price/quality/feature disparity.

 

[PC-Engine]

I heard somewhere in this forum that PS2's output usually looks the worst on SONY TVs.

It is indeed the Sony brand that 'means'.

What it means is a false sense of security, which ultimately has no practical value at all. Superficial value..maybe.

 

[rabidrabbit]

I bet you wrote that

 

[PC-Engine]

I bet you wrote that

No it wasn't me. Ironically I think it was someone without bias, maybe even a developer. It was basically brought up because of the CELL talk and the CELL living room with CELL powered SONY products.

It's funny because if SONY can't make their products perform well with one another then the CELL living room concept was more of a joke seeing as one poster said that PS2 looks worst on SONY TVs.

 

[London Geezer]

It is actually quite true. For some reason, PS2 games look horrible on some Sony TVs. The interlacing is 10 times as evident as with other TVs. If you notice the TV used for the standard PS2 booths in shops, the visual quality is horrendous. You'd think they'd use other TVs to show off their hardware... go figure...

 

[PC-Engine]

It is actually quite true. For some reason, PS2 games look horible on some Sony TVs. The interlacing is 10 times as evident as with other TVs. If you notice the TV used for the standard PS2 booths in shops, the visual quality is horrendous. You'd think they'd use other TVs to show off their hardware... go figure...

Hehe they got themselves into a Catch 22 situation.

 

[Deepak]

That means I should drop Sony from my list? Or take my PS2 to the shop, plug it in the TV and see it myself?

 

[London Geezer]

That means I should drop Sony from my list? Or take my PS2 to the shop, plug it in the TV and see it myself?

If you wanna spend a reasonable amount of money, you can get the same quality and sometimes a bit more at a cheaper price than Sony charges. But that's old news...

If i were you, i'd think carefully before investing in one of those, considering money is an issue. Come next year, next gen consoles will start comeing out, and they'll support HDTV reolutions. By then prices on proper HDTVs (720p and higher) will have largely dropped. So, you might want to wait until you can actually use your TV for more than bragging about it to your mates, because TODAY there is little for you to do with a HDTV.

I'm gonna wait and see what happens next gen. HDTV now is useless for me. Might as well wait till i can actually do something with a HDTV and buy it when the prices are much lower.

 

[Deepak]

That sounds logical, ok I wait till I get PS3 (or whenever I have enough money). Thread closed.

 

[hey69]

next time i buy a new hdtv with progr scan would be the time when big LCD's (32"plus) TVs drop below the 1100euro mark.. and i don't see them dropping that quick..

 

[Ty]

Whether I can afford it or not is irrelevent. Deepak was asking for a tv set in the $400-$500 range. Where can he find this super SONY model in that price range? Um..uh..there aren't any. SONY has NOTHING even remotely comparable to that Zenith in that price range..end of discussion.

Yes but after I said I was probably going to pick it up then you brought up "Sony issues". I swear, it's like you pop a little boner every time you can take a stab at Sony.

Is it $400-$500? Didn't think so. BTW you were bragging about SONY's tubes so I brought up the fact that a great tube means nothing, nada, zilch.

It doesn't matter if it has spaghetti inside or is powered by day old socks. The end result is what matters and the "best picture" is the "best picture". And, uh, you're out of order. I only mentioned the tube in the last reply I think - and I didn't say anything about the tube being great - it is only part of the equation so it matters a lot but is not everything and certainly not irrelevant. Whatever else is needed is in there because it seems the 910 is the "best available" CRT you (well not you apparently) can get.

Excuses are like @ssholes...

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Find me a better tv from SONY at that price. BTW if you don't know what 16:9 squeeze mode is for a 4:3 CRT then you shouldn't even be arguing.

That's why I suggested the Sanyo. Hell for a ~200 more he get get a 30" 16:9 with ATSC tuner or the 32" 4:3 version. There is also a 27" coming out in a bit. All I was doing was pointing out other options. I'm sorry you're so sensitive to the opinions of others. Next time I'll let you carry on giving out one-sided advice.

I know what Squeeze mode is. I had forgotten that you were suggesting a 4:3 TV so when I saw it, I laughed. Man, 1080i in 16:9 (because it's locked to that mode) on that Zenith = postage stamp.