It seems even the smartest of individuals bicker, unfortunately for the viewing audience(myself), the bickering will span four pages, and lose sight the initial topic altogether. Is this becoming a trend, or has it always happened? PS......the absolute rule of thumb is anything less then 30fps is a slideshow, and anything over 60fps is too fast for the human eye to descriminate against.
poor performance on FX 5200?
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OpenGL guy said:
Did you claim? Dont be stupid. You quoted me then replied to the quote. Thats replying directly to my post. That's addressing me in case you dont know how this stuff works.
I dont think its playable, It is playable. Yea, you can see a difference between 30 and higher fps, but that doesnt mean its not playable. It may not be as pretty, but it IS playable.OpenGL guy said:
OpenGL guy said:
No, I don't, because I dont use low end parts. And using "the consumer" is more ambiguous than using "someone" (in the context you did) so dont try to be condescending by saying "...yes, Im talking to you...".
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gkar1 said:
That would be Established you fool. And dont try to imply that I'm a "f@nboy". All I said was that it was playable. I didn't say anyone isn't decieving anyone. Stop your implications PEOPLE.
So, you stop your "f@nboy" musings of OpenGL Guy and grab a dictionary or two.
You gkar1 are disgusting, really.
Chris, wtf is your problem?
You might have noted that the line you didnt like was seperated from the rest of the post with a blank line, right?
That can have two possible meanings:
1) He is still talking to you, but now about something else.
2) He is talking to the general public now, and doesnt want to waste time/space with a second post.
Use things called "context clues" to determine if he is still talking to you.
I also like how you assume gkar1 is a moron and is disgusting simply because he made a typo. Want me to go all Grammar/spelling Nazi on your posts? Or call you a moron because of your misplaced commas?
You still think in absolutes, eh? Get this: YOUR definition of playable does not nessesarily equal someone elses definition of playable. Got it? Good.
You might have noted that the line you didnt like was seperated from the rest of the post with a blank line, right?
That can have two possible meanings:
1) He is still talking to you, but now about something else.
2) He is talking to the general public now, and doesnt want to waste time/space with a second post.
Use things called "context clues" to determine if he is still talking to you.
I also like how you assume gkar1 is a moron and is disgusting simply because he made a typo. Want me to go all Grammar/spelling Nazi on your posts? Or call you a moron because of your misplaced commas?
You still think in absolutes, eh? Get this: YOUR definition of playable does not nessesarily equal someone elses definition of playable. Got it? Good.
Chris123234 said:
Chris, its was also plainly obvious that he was making what he intended to be a jovial reference to NVIDIA's marketing terms, and wasn't quoting you directly on that particular comment - that should be pretty obvious.
Can we tone it down a little please?
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Or not.Althornin said:
And I didn't call him a moron you moron I called him a fool. And I only said those things because he was IMPLYING bullsh*t that I didnt say.
Maybe if you would read first before trying to make a pitiful arguement this could have been avoided.
Althornin said:
No I dont got it. So your saying that 30 fps is not playable. Though tv is watchable at that fps.
Just to avoid another argument I'll point this out to you people who tend to come up with things I never said and try to argue them. IM SAYING PLAYABLE NOT NOTICEABLE.
A constant 28 fps is playable in certain types of games.. an average of 28 fps is not playable per se however.
It is interesting that SEGA, back in the old days, lowered the poly count of Virtua Fighter (the arcade version) by half so they could get 60 fps rather than stick with the 30 fps of Virtua Racing which had more detail.
(Source Edge Magazine)
It is interesting that SEGA, back in the old days, lowered the poly count of Virtua Fighter (the arcade version) by half so they could get 60 fps rather than stick with the 30 fps of Virtua Racing which had more detail.
(Source Edge Magazine)
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DaveBaumann said:
Dave NOT trying to be rude BUT:
Heres how his post went
1 He quoted me.
(the quote)
2 He gaves his points.
(If you look at the results of 3D Mark 2003... The 5200 runs all four tests yet still gets crushed by the 9200, which can only run the first three. This implies, to me, very poor results on GT2 and GT3. GT2 and GT3 use a similar shadow volume computation as Doom 3, so I think we can conclude that the 5200 will be rather slow in Doom 3.
If you look at the results in UT2003, the 5200 is getting about half the performance of a GeForce 4 MX... )
3. He insulted me based on his points.
(Maybe someone confused "cinematic" with "slideshow" )
If his post wasnt directed at me then why would he quote me, then directly after, start talking about something else. Wouldnt he talk about nvidia AFTER responding to the quote.
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Tahir said:
They probably upped the fps so it wouldnt be noticable to the people playing it.
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Tahir said:
If he didnt mean me then he should have said "I did not mean you" and i would have deleted my post but he didnt. He responded mocking me and arguing.
And im not one to back down from an arguement, as you can obviously see.
Chris123234 said:
IIRC they did it because they felt that in a one-on-one fighting game it was more important to have a better sense of motion as VF depends on quick reflexes. Hand-to-eye co-ordination play a big part in this game and whilst the eye maybe quickly fooled, the reflexes of the hand are a lot quicker than perceived motion by the human eye - ask Thresh @ Firingsquad
As a matter of fact, 30 fps performance is playable. It's not great, but for anyone casual enough to buy a low end card it will suffice.
My only concern is whether the card will even produce 30 fps with DX9 titles, and my gut feeling is it won't. In that case the included features are rendered entirely moot. I like that it has the features, but the bottomline is it won't encourage developers to create DX9 shader games if the mainstream hardware is too slow to support it.
I'm actually disappointed that ATi's offerings aren't DX9 capable. But, then again, it's all a trade off between performance and features. At some point those two factors intersect, and if it's at DX8.1 compliance, then so be it. Either way it's better than DX7.
My only concern is whether the card will even produce 30 fps with DX9 titles, and my gut feeling is it won't. In that case the included features are rendered entirely moot. I like that it has the features, but the bottomline is it won't encourage developers to create DX9 shader games if the mainstream hardware is too slow to support it.
I'm actually disappointed that ATi's offerings aren't DX9 capable. But, then again, it's all a trade off between performance and features. At some point those two factors intersect, and if it's at DX8.1 compliance, then so be it. Either way it's better than DX7.
Chris123234 said:
Yes, he did.
OpenGL guy said:
Chris123234 said:
Chris, you said:
You see, you are using "someone" in a mocking way, because you thought he was. He simply and clearly told you he is not, and in fact his explanation seems perfectly valid if you'd simply recognize that "someone" might be used differently than you did in your request for him to "stfu". Since you didn't say "cinematic", and both of your recognize that, I'm not sure why you insist on your misunderstanding.
Chris123234 said:
I explained to you EXACTLY how it could have been read, and then you tell me go read again?
WTF? someone has reading comprehension problems...and it aint me!
And i am telling you ITS NOT PLAYABLE FOR ME.
got it yet?
stop thinking in bloody absolutes!
good lord man, you've GOT to be aware that other people can have VALID opinions that disagree with yours!
He did.
i explained it to you above, but that reading problem of yours is persistent
Chris, tone it down. You're overreacting in an ugly way to a minor misunderstanding. You seem to have earned the condescension with which OGL (unnecessarily) ended his reply to your "moron" post.
And I thought we got over the TV Hz = games fps misconception a long time ago. If Penstarsys still has Josh' 30 vs. 60fps article up (from the 3dfx days), you should check it out.
And I thought we got over the TV Hz = games fps misconception a long time ago. If Penstarsys still has Josh' 30 vs. 60fps article up (from the 3dfx days), you should check it out.
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