Playstation Move Games

[patsu]

Move isn't really comparable to the PS Eye, neither technically nor in terms of software support. Right now, today, the Move controller already has enough games to make it worthwhile. Just based on what is out there now, today, I would heartily recommend getting it even if no other game were ever to be released for it.

Well... Sony's reasoning was the PSEye alone could not provide enough precision and versatility to do what the devs wanted. The additional Move controllers are supposed to complete the picture.

The amount of dev support and marketing dedicated to Move is certainly way over PSEye. But there's no guarantee that AntShaw will like any of them. ^_^

Other than the Move-enabled browser rumor, Sony has not talked much about Move non-games too. The entire effort is very focused on games now. Perhaps this is due to the management's decision to focus on gaming first. Or perhaps they are too busy with so many parallel projects (PSPx, Qriocity, 3D gaming and movies, etc.)

 

[patsu]

Hmmm, maybe the Shoot used 4 corners too? I can't remember exactly, thought it was only 2.

I don't have The Shoot. Logging into MAG now. I remember it wrongly. Instead of the 4 corners, it checks the 4 sides (left, right, top, bottom), followed by centering.

 

[tha_con]

All of your examples speak to early adopters. I already addressed the risks we take as being early adopters.

Speaking solely from my perspective only....I bought PSeye and got a game with it I played twice. Since then I have downloaded multiple PSeye items from the PSN that haven't been played after they were initially downloaded. The camera has been collecting dust since.

So far, from all the games/software I've seen for Move, I'm really only interested in Sports Champions. My concern again, is I have the same cost of entry as non PSeye owners and I'm afraid after I get Move, it will end up doing the same thing my PSeye is doing, collecting dust. In that aspect, I do feel shafted for already owning the PSeye.

Well, if you jumped in for a game you only played twice...it sounds like maybe you should have looked into it more?

Just food for thought: As of right now, the list of software support for Move is far far larger than PS Eye was after all this time. Hopefully that should speak volumes to your concerns.

I still don't understand how you feel shafted though. I bought a PS Eye, and sure, I spent a little more than the average price of entry, but I've also been able to video chat with a lot of friends and family, play some games that support PS Eye, and create myself in Fight Night Round 4 with little effort. So in that respect, it's been well enough.

 

[Butta]

Does anyone know how to step backwards in Sports Champions with 2 Move controllers? I had only a single controller and the Move button would step backwards now with dual controllers I can't find a single button that steps backward. My whole strategy in this game is stepping backwards when an opponent swings and I have not won a match since. Thinking of going back to a single controller.

 

[tha_con]

Does anyone know how to step backwards in Sports Champions with 2 Move controllers? I had only a single controller and the Move button would step backwards now with dual controllers I can't find a single button that steps backward. My whole strategy in this game is stepping backwards when an opponent swings and I have not won a match since. Thinking of going back to a single controller.

Both move buttons at the same time.

 

[Butta]

Both move buttons at the same time.

Since I have 2 motion controllers... they sidestep when pressing the Move button instead of doing the step backwards. Really sucks. I tried at the same time but more than 3/4 of the time it turns into a side step

 

[patsu]

Gladiator Duel is my wife's favorite Move game. ^_^
It's the only game she plays (for now).

[size=-2]And I see she's posing for victory shot now. >_<[/size]

 

[Arwin]

Since I have 2 motion controllers... they sidestep when pressing the Move button instead of doing the step backwards. Really sucks. I tried at the same time but more than 3/4 of the time it turns into a side step

Both at the same time is the way to do it though. I've never accidentally sidestepped either. Maybe press and hold a little ... ? I really like by the way that if you get it just right you can also parry a hit using your sword.

 

[Arwin]

Played more Hustle Kings last night, took a Snooker table in Free Play, set everything to Hard/Assists off, leaned my left hand on the table and had fun till by back ached. Highly recommended (well, not the back-ache ).

 

[Shifty Geezer]

I feel shafted because in order to get Move and Sports Champions, I have to pay virtually the same price as the people getting Move, Sports Champions and PSeye.

I was going to say that's not such an issue, but of course in the Us you get Sports Champions bundled. So yeah, you've got shafted. Over here, there is some pretty heavy competition, and the bundle only has the demo disk. You can get a move for £26 - £28 if you shop around and use coupons/vouchers, and are then good to go.

This whole thing of rewarding new customers really gets my goat though. It's like broadband or mobile customers, or banks. "Join us and we give you this lovely deal. Stick with us and we'll exploit you." They encourage disloyalty. I feel those who have invested and supported early on should be rewarded. Although I suppose in this case it's only really an issue because PSEye was a wash-out. Had it received the content it should have had, the investment would have paid off in experiences.

I've played Move twice now. It is certainly sensitive - played Table Tennis on gold difficult, and it's pretty much 1:1. Actually playing a sport from the 3rd person is pretty tricky though! Have had a couple of issues, notably in The Shoot demo, tracking was lost completely and the pointer was stuck to the stop of the screen, and when it recovered calibration was completely out. This was after doing a spin-around slwo-time maneouvre, only it was activated by turning the Move over the head like a lasso. It also became very apparent that Move really needs a large TV. I play mostly on my TV/monitor, and sat a distance of 8 feet, this 20" screen is pretty titchy! In fact that's going to make using Move with Under Siege decidedly rubbish.

 

[Arwin]

I've played Move twice now. It is certainly sensitive - played Table Tennis on gold difficult, and it's pretty much 1:1. Actually playing a sport from the 3rd person is pretty tricky though! Have had a couple of issues, notably in The Shoot demo, tracking was lost completely and the pointer was stuck to the stop of the screen, and when it recovered calibration was completely out. This was after doing a spin-around slwo-time maneouvre, only it was activated by turning the Move over the head like a lasso. It also became very apparent that Move really needs a large TV. I play mostly on my TV/monitor, and sat a distance of 8 feet, this 20" screen is pretty titchy! In fact that's going to make using Move with Under Siege decidedly rubbish.

Although I haven't experienced any myself other than the pointer drift, The Shoot demo definitely still has some bugs, but then the game isn't out yet either.

Why are you sitting away that much? I play both on a 32" tv in the living room and a 22" LCD in my office. In my office I'm sitting the same distance from the screen as I usually do. For everything other than Sports Champions and maybe Beat Sketchers that is no problem whatsoever! Everything beyond 50cm should be good enough for most cases!

As for the 'shafting', even in the US you can find pretty good deals on games and standalone Move controllers. You should always still be able to get both a game and a Move for less than the bundle, and the amount you then save is value from the PS Eye that you managed to recoup, many years after you bought it. Maybe I have a weird sense of economic value, but I consider that a win, not a 'shaft'.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Why are you sitting away that much?

I haven't tried it at home. This was on a 40" screen round a mate's. Sat at maybe 1.5 metres away, RUSE kept missing the Move controller, though the camera was pearched on the top of the TV. Recommendations are 2.5m away. If it works at normal distance, I'll be pleased. I'll have to borrow my friends Move just to try it out. Tumble should be a good one.

As for the 'shafting', even in the US you can find pretty good deals on games and standalone Move controllers. You should always still be able to get both a game and a Move for less than the bundle, and the amount you then save is value from the PS Eye that you managed to recoup, many years after you bought it. Maybe I have a weird sense of economic value, but I consider that a win, not a 'shaft'.

Total cost of PSEye and Move and Sports Champions bought individually = $40 + $50 + $40 = $130. Bundle price = $100. It costs exsting PSEye owners $30 more to buy into Move. If they got $30 worth of PSEye experience, that's okay, but if they didn't, it's added cost. If there's a Move+Sports Champions sans camera deal for $30 off, then it's no loss.

 

[patsu]

Shifty, your telco probably rewards you with free SMS messages, and roll over minutes right ? Before your plan expires, they will also give you a special deal to continue the relationship with them. Sometimes, people with older plans may get better deals because the telcos hike their rates.

I play on a 27" screen about 2-3 feet away in the office sitting down, about 6-8 feet standing up.

Eh... Why does RUSE miss the pointer ? The demo worked for me until I got overrun by the Germans. Then the game freaked out and panned all the way North.

 

[Arwin]

I haven't tried it at home. This was on a 40" screen round a mate's. Sat at maybe 1.5 metres away, RUSE kept missing the Move controller, though the camera was pearched on the top of the TV. Recommendations are 2.5m away. If it works at normal distance, I'll be pleased. I'll have to borrow my friends Move just to try it out. Tumble should be a good one.

Tumble actually needs a tiny bit (just a bit though) more space than some games (like RUSE) because you actually reach into the room (say, a box of 30-50 cubic cm, though you can constantly recenter), whereas for RUSE you'll barely need more then 10cm3 of space to Move around in.

Most of these games actually say on the startup screen that they recommend about 1m / 3ft distance. It's just full body stuff like Sports Champions where they recommend 2.5m, although as mentioned I am managing to play at just under 1.5m without much effort (just learnt that you can actually jump in Gladiator Duel to avoid a low hit, by actually jumping by the way).

Total cost of PSEye and Move and Sports Champions bought individually = $40 + $50 + $40 = $130. Bundle price = $100. It costs exsting PSEye owners $30 more to buy into Move. If they got $30 worth of PSEye experience, that's okay, but if they didn't, it's added cost. If there's a Move+Sports Champions sans camera deal for $30 off, then it's no loss.

I look at it subtly differently (I guess I am an optimist). Move plus Sports Champions = $90. Bundle including PS Eye is $100. That means already having the PS Eye saves you $10, or another way to look at it, the PS Eye's value increased by that amount. For instance, you can also get the bundle anyway and who knows sell the PS Eye camera to someone who needs a new camera only (perhaps he broke / drowned one in beer, perhaps he has a second PS3, doesn't mind sharing the Move controllers between them, but doesn't want to keep moving the PS Eye itself) for $20.

Compare this to, say, the 360's Vision Camera and Kinect. If you had the Vision Camera, not only did you get worse support for it, but with Kinect coming and being totally unrelated, there's a good chance you can basically just throw it away.

(though then again I think either camera can be used as a PC webcam, so throwing it away is perhaps not necessary )

 

[goonergaz]

Indeed, I don't 'get' the complaint - maybe he'd be happier if the bundle cost $120?

Buy the bundle and stick the camera and demo disk on eBay - I just sold my demo disk for £4 and have a spare camera to either sell on or make eyepet play more convienent.

And WRT support for PSeye, sure it wasn't massive (which to me speaks volumes for how long maybe devs/Sony knew this was coming?) but also I've had lots of use thanks to non PSeye games like singstar and burnout (etc)

 

[ShadowRunner]

I haven't tried it at home. This was on a 40" screen round a mate's. Sat at maybe 1.5 metres away, RUSE kept missing the Move controller, though the camera was pearched on the top of the TV. Recommendations are 2.5m away. If it works at normal distance, I'll be pleased. I'll have to borrow my friends Move just to try it out. Tumble should be a good one.
Total cost of PSEye and Move and Sports Champions bought individually = $40 + $50 + $40 = $130. Bundle price = $100. It costs exsting PSEye owners $30 more to buy into Move. If they got $30 worth of PSEye experience, that's okay, but if they didn't, it's added cost. If there's a Move+Sports Champions sans camera deal for $30 off, then it's no loss.

It doesnt cost existing PSEye owners $30 more, because they can buy the bundle. Doesnt a game plus move add up to $90 (40+50) thus saving you $10 (plus getting to chose the game) if you already have PSEye? Its dissapointing that its not so much cheeper for some people who already have PSeye that they dont see a discount, but their not really being shafted because they still get the same offers as everyone else. If you bought the PSEye in advance specifically for use with Move then yes some of that money is wasted and was probably unwise to begin with, but i think most people probably picked up PSEye before Move was even revealed, or it wasnt thier primary reason for purchase. For some however having the PSEye already has been of some value, specifically if they had no interest in the bundle and wanted a different game, or no game at all and just wanted to try out the demos to see what they like (what i did). The bundle price is $30 less than seperates, which is inline with what you would expect with bundled goods. The value to someone who already has PSEye is that they get to chose whatever game they want for $10 less than someone buying the bundle, or no game at all and so $50 less. Once move has been out for a bit the value will increase as the price of move games drop, someone with a PSEye already could end up with a move + 2 games of choice for the same price as the bundle.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

If you bought the PSEye in advance specifically for use with Move then yes some of that money is wasted and was probably unwise to begin with, but i think most people probably picked up PSEye before Move was even revealed...

I disagree. PSEye was bought by many on the strength of Eyetoy and all the tech demos shown, but there hasn't been much to use PSEye before Move. So in a way, yes, PSEye was bought for Move, as Move is the first real application of the camera. I doubt I'm alone in having had a camera sit pretty much unused for 2 years in a drawer. Unless EOJ or the few simplistic download titles were your cup of tea, PSEye has not been worth the $40 spent on it, and those people would have been better off not buying PSEye and waiting until Move was released. That is, never buy a device until there's actually something for it that justifies its value, as opposed to buying early in the hopes of value based on vapourware suggestions. Hence my hesitation with getting Move. I need to see enough content to warrant me buying it, instead of me buying it now hoping there'll be content in the future.

Perhaps it's not so much the Move bundle that's left PSEye owners shafted, but the lack of investment in PSEye in the first place. If Move weren't coming out, PSEye would still be a useless waste of money.

 

[upnorthsox]

I disagree. PSEye was bought by many on the strength of Eyetoy and all the tech demos shown, but there hasn't been much to use PSEye before Move. So in a way, yes, PSEye was bought for Move, as Move is the first real application of the camera. I doubt I'm alone in having had a camera sit pretty much unused for 2 years in a drawer. Unless EOJ or the few simplistic download titles were your cup of tea, PSEye has not been worth the $40 spent on it, and those people would have been better off not buying PSEye and waiting until Move was released. That is, never buy a device until there's actually something for it that justifies its value, as opposed to buying early in the hopes of value based on vapourware suggestions. Hence my hesitation with getting Move. I need to see enough content to warrant me buying it, instead of me buying it now hoping there'll be content in the future.

Perhaps it's not so much the Move bundle that's left PSEye owners shafted, but the lack of investment in PSEye in the first place. If Move weren't coming out, PSEye would still be a useless waste of money.

I agree and disagree, but in any case, this is all just in your opinion. There's alot of content out for Move already and more coming in the future. Now you may think it's all useless crap, but that's again only your opinion. I got little use out of PSeye, but my son and niece had 30GB of EyeCreate content on my old PS3 and probably another 20GB on the slim. I would say that at least in our house, it was hardly a useless waste of money , your opinion may differ though as you may not be as creative .

Btw, we also ended up buying the EOJ bundle(because we couldn't find any card decks) so I have 2 PSEyes. If I bought a Move bundle that would make 3 PSEyes which would probably overload my tightwad meter.

 

[patsu]

If you buy EoJ with PSEye, it only costs $10 more compared to a regular PS3 game. EoJ is a great game. I rate it highly (on par with Sports Champions in quality).

In US, the Move bundle costs $100. If I buy Move + Sports Champion, it costs me $90. So it works out great for me (No loss !).

I have no idea why others bought PSEye without software. It's always the software that drives hardware sales.

 

[Arwin]

I just learnt that each sport in Sports Champions has a bonus fight after you complete Gold Challenge against a new character that then unlocks. After that, a Champions Cup unlocks on even higher difficulty.