PlayStation 3 to feature Blu-Ray disc - Official!

[-tkf-]

Personaly i would have liked to have waited for the 100gb red laser discs.

I think they are both short term solutions made only for the companys to get rich

Agreed on both points.

But "they" need money, DVD is to cheap, HD is gaining momentum, and on the broadcast side there is another format war in full effect. Anyway i hope that a DL Blu-Ray can deliver true HD Quality if the studioes don't compromise on quality over extras.. (HD Superbit?)

 

[PC-Engine]

I support the direction the DVD Forum has gone with HD-DVD. The technology is solid. There's no hyping behind it. It speaks for itself. It's progressing well, things are and have been accomplished. There's a solid launch plan.

HD-DVD sounds like a to big compromise where short term gains has won over long term advantages for the user. I don't think the storage capacity is anywhere near impressive and while the WM9 codec is pretty good i haven't been knocked out by what i have seen on my own Projector.

Personally i would prefer a next gen codec at HD MPEG2 bitrates.

Ohh and what was that Sony LCD link about?

The only long term advantage I see BRD having over HD-DVD is capacity specifically recording capacity, but that's really not significant enough. We're not talking about DVD capacity compared to CD capacity which is more than 5 times. We're talking only about 2 times the capacity at most between BR and HD-DVD. By the time HD-DVD runs out of room for the next generation of Ultra HD movies, there will be new optical technology that'll make BR's disc capacity look like a floppy disk.

The SONY LCD quote from the review should be self explanitory.

Personaly i would have liked to have waited for the 100gb red laser discs.

Yeah I was looking forward to the NFO technology too as was/is MfA. We really didn't need blue laser technology so soon.

 

[-tkf-]

We're talking only about 2 times the capacity at most between BR and HD-DVD.

Since i'm one of those freaks that buy Superbit DVD i may look differently on that In my world more storage = better picture, of course it remains to be seen if this holds true this time around.

In any case i'm buying both formats i'm not kiddin myself

 

[PC-Engine]

We're talking only about 2 times the capacity at most between BR and HD-DVD.

Since i'm one of those freaks that buy Superbit DVD i may look differently on that In my world more storage = better picture, of course it remains to be seen if this holds true this time around.

In any case i'm buying both formats i'm not kiddin myself

And that's exactly what I'm afraid of. Superbit is a stop gap that's fragmenting the DVD standard. I don't want fragmentation. I want standardization like HD-DVD.

Btw there WILL be BR units that can playback HD-DVD in the coming years. The two formats may even eventally converge like during the early days of DVD so you'll be a happy camper with your dual format movie collection.

 

[-tkf-]

Superbit is a stop gap that's fragmenting the DVD standard. I don't want fragmentation.

Superbit plain DVD, just like special editions, rereleases, new transfers etc etc..

 

[PC-Engine]

Superbit is a stop gap that's fragmenting the DVD standard. I don't want fragmentation.

Superbit plain DVD, just like special editions, rereleases, new transfers etc etc..

NO they use higher bitrate, over 10mbps that's why you don't get the extras.

 

[wco81]

Personaly i would have liked to have waited for the 100gb red laser discs.

I think they are both short term solutions made only for the companys to get rich

Agreed on both points.

But "they" need money, DVD is to cheap, HD is gaining momentum, and on the broadcast side there is another format war in full effect. Anyway i hope that a DL Blu-Ray can deliver true HD Quality if the studioes don't compromise on quality over extras.. (HD Superbit?)

What format war is there on the broadcast side of HD?

 

[wco81]

I support the direction the DVD Forum has gone with HD-DVD. The technology is solid. There's no hyping behind it. It speaks for itself. It's progressing well, things are and have been accomplished. There's a solid launch plan.

What is the launch plan?

Is there any other hardware vendor besides Toshiba and NEC? And I've heard NEC would only be making computer drives, not consumer electronics set tops?

My take is that the DVD Forum wants to maintain the status quo, particularly the current patent licensing structure. So that means keeping the DVD going as long as possible and carrying forward the patent license recipients to HD DVD. The studios obviously want to keep the DVD cash cow going for as long as possible.

Even though HDTV adoption is pretty high, there's too much financial incentive to maintain the DVD status quo. So if they release content, they will probably price it at a premium.

 

[wco81]

I hope PS3 using BR doesn't turn into a fiasco.

It may well be, with a fragmented next-gen DVD market.

But I will prefer to have it than not, assuming it's on the basic $300 model.

As for a more expensive model with PVR and BR recorder features, I would definitely be interested, considering the HD Tivo with no disc archiving (or gaming) is going for $1000 now. Not saying it would necessarily be a best-seller, just that it would be an appealing mix of features.

 

[-tkf-]

NO they use higher bitrate, over 10mbps that's why you don't get the extras.

It's standard DVDs and they don't go beyond 10mbit (9.8 is the max i think), and it's just another release, where the aim is the best picture and sound instead of extras. How this can be called fragmentation in a market where popular movies get released several times is interesting.

Was this posted:

http://www.jvc-victor.co.jp/english/press/2004/duv-master.html

JVC's newly developed Extended Deep Ultraviolet Mastering System uses a deep ultraviolet laser beam to manufacture BD-ROM masters with just a small modification to a conventional DVD master recording system which uses blue violet to ultraviolet rays. For this reason it produces BD-ROM master discs for the same cost as DVD master discs.

 

[PC-Engine]

I support the direction the DVD Forum has gone with HD-DVD. The technology is solid. There's no hyping behind it. It speaks for itself. It's progressing well, things are and have been accomplished. There's a solid launch plan.

What is the launch plan?

Is there any other hardware vendor besides Toshiba and NEC? And I've heard NEC would only be making computer drives, not consumer electronics set tops?

My take is that the DVD Forum wants to maintain the status quo, particularly the current patent licensing structure. So that means keeping the DVD going as long as possible and carrying forward the patent license recipients to HD DVD. The studios obviously want to keep the DVD cash cow going for as long as possible.

Even though HDTV adoption is pretty high, there's too much financial incentive to maintain the DVD status quo. So if they release content, they will probably price it at a premium.

The official launch timeframe is summer of 2005.

NEC does sell consumer electronics in other markets like Asia including standalone DVD recorders. However it's not clear whether or not they'll supply OEM standalone units to other companies to rebadge. Drives for the PC market from them is guaranteed though. The DVD Forum is also in the process of getting some of the Taiwanese hardware manufacturers on board.

The HD content will obviously be more expensive because HD remastering costs money. Regardless consumers are willing to pay more for higher quality. I don't think the HD content will be that expensive though. At least not twice the cost of DVD movies today. My guess is it'll probably be 50% higher in cost at most compared to current DVDs.

 

[Psychogenics]

I support the direction the DVD Forum has gone with HD-DVD. The technology is solid. There's no hyping behind it. It speaks for itself. It's progressing well, things are and have been accomplished. There's a solid launch plan.

HD-DVD sounds like a to big compromise where short term gains has won over long term advantages for the user. I don't think the storage capacity is anywhere near impressive and while the WM9 codec is pretty good i haven't been knocked out by what i have seen on my own Projector.

Personally i would prefer a next gen codec at HD MPEG2 bitrates.

Ohh and what was that Sony LCD link about?

The only long term advantage I see BRD having over HD-DVD is capacity specifically recording capacity, but that's really not significant enough. We're not talking about DVD capacity compared to CD capacity which is more than 5 times. We're talking only about 2 times the capacity at most between BR and HD-DVD. By the time HD-DVD runs out of room for the next generation of Ultra HD movies, there will be new optical technology that'll make BR's disc capacity look like a floppy disk.

The SONY LCD quote from the review should be self explanitory.

Personaly i would have liked to have waited for the 100gb red laser discs.

Yeah I was looking forward to the NFO technology too as was/is MfA. We really didn't need blue laser technology so soon.

http://blu-raytalk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=64 Blu- ray has much more potentail than HD-DVD

 

[Psychogenics]

And Blu has a 128bit embedded Encryption for content protection.

 

[PC-Engine]

http://blu-raytalk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=64 Blu- ray has much more potentail than HD-DVD

Holographic technology is not BR, but I like how you tried to make it seem like it is.

Ever heard of FMD? There are other higher capacity optical storage technology than BR...it's ok take a deep breath, it's not the end of the world. There's no need to jump ship...not yet.

And Blu has a 128bit embedded Encryption for content protection.

And my car has 4 tires excluding the spare...your point?

 

[PC-Engine]

HVD

http://www.optware.co.jp/english/what_040823.htm

Blu what?

 

[V3]

I've been following the holographic disc, its really amazing technology, up to 1 Terrabytes, with 1 GB/s transfer, I am waiting for it to be ready for consumer product. But in the mean time, Blue Ray it is. Maybe HD-DVD too, when its finally out.

 

[archie4oz]

I'll be more interested when it doesn't require a recorder the size of my kitchen... Besides FMD has been getting densities and bit-rates in the same class as well...

 

[jvd]

I'll be more interested when it doesn't require a recorder the size of my kitchen... Besides FMD has been getting densities and bit-rates in the same class as well...

I figured they just add it to your roof . That way it wont take up much space. They can also slap on a solar panel for power !

 

[archie4oz]

I live in an apartment, no dice...

 

[jvd]

I live in an apartment, no dice...

You still have a roof though ? What else are you going to do with the roof .