Official M$ Press Release On Rare
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Huge coup for MS. I thought it was a good idea BEFORE I played SFA. Now that I've played 2 hours of SFA, I think this was a brilliant move by MS. Rare is going to bring some huge cash to MS.
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OWNED!
Yeah, you know who you are so no names will be named. Yeah, that's right: you, who said that Stamper brothers where leaving, you who said MS would not be getting Perfect Dark, Blast Corps, Banjo-Kazooie, and KIller Instinct in the extremly unlikely event should this deal happen, you who said that it will not happen, period.
Face it, you underestiamted MS, big time.
OWNED!
Yeah, you know who you are so no names will be named. Yeah, that's right: you, who said that Stamper brothers where leaving, you who said MS would not be getting Perfect Dark, Blast Corps, Banjo-Kazooie, and KIller Instinct in the extremly unlikely event should this deal happen, you who said that it will not happen, period.
Face it, you underestiamted MS, big time.
Hehe, this thread is entertaining, the hype and mis-information is running wild!
This was quite funny
Surely teaming up with Sony or even better someone who would allow third party status like Activision would give them a far bigger audience then MS can on XBox.
Exactly what I was thinking
Where is the official announcement on that or any of the other games mentioned? (appart from the obvious ones that MS announced, PD, Conker, Banjo and Kameo). AFAICS MS did not get any of the other licences mentioned. I think MS would have mentioned them if they had them.
Nintendo do own the company that trademarked Perfect Dark and all the rest, that does not stop MS getting some of these games if Nintendo chose to sell them.
It's been shown, and even half admited by a RareWare employee, that Nintendo own the rights to these games. It apears that Nintendo have sold some rights to MS to go along with the RareWare deal, but there is no info to suggest they have gotten any of the other games mentioned (Killer Instinct ect)
Even if people deny that Nintendo own Rare LTD 100% (the company that allot of those games are registered too), which is a silly thing to do considering the facts, you still cannot deny that Nintendo own (directly) allot of the games that Planet XBox claims MS will now get. Killer Instinct, for instance, is one of the games mentioned that is trademarked in Nintendo of America's name!
Didn't you actually read the official press release?, it never mentioned those games. Even the RareWare trailer on the XBox official site only shows characters from the 4 games MS mentioned, Kameo, Conker, Perfect Dark and Banjo.
That bit at Planet XBox was purely of there own making AFAICS and is in no way official.. its all just assumptions from poor journalists AFAICS
To be honest I find it very unlikely that Nintendo, with few exclusive fighting games, would sell a biggish fighting licences like Killer Instinct, or that they'd sell as many licences as Planet XBox suggests. Yeah most of them aren't big licences, but I still doubt it. I'll doubt it no-longer though if we actually get something official rather then the king of the XBox fan-boy sites (Planet XBox).
People on both sides of the argument said that.
I'm starting to agree with CaptainHowdy here, your only seeing what you want to see. AFAICS he didn't ever say MS won't get any of these games (although as of yet we have no real info saying they have got games like Blast Corps and Killer Instinct) he said IF they did get them they would have to buy them from Nintendo, how was he wrong then?
Unless I'm remembering wrong?.. maybe you should quote his exact words?
This was quite funny
Surely teaming up with Sony or even better someone who would allow third party status like Activision would give them a far bigger audience then MS can on XBox.Exactly what I was thinking
Where is the official announcement on that or any of the other games mentioned? (appart from the obvious ones that MS announced, PD, Conker, Banjo and Kameo). AFAICS MS did not get any of the other licences mentioned. I think MS would have mentioned them if they had them.
Nintendo do own the company that trademarked Perfect Dark and all the rest, that does not stop MS getting some of these games if Nintendo chose to sell them.
It's been shown, and even half admited by a RareWare employee, that Nintendo own the rights to these games. It apears that Nintendo have sold some rights to MS to go along with the RareWare deal, but there is no info to suggest they have gotten any of the other games mentioned (Killer Instinct ect)
Even if people deny that Nintendo own Rare LTD 100% (the company that allot of those games are registered too), which is a silly thing to do considering the facts, you still cannot deny that Nintendo own (directly) allot of the games that Planet XBox claims MS will now get. Killer Instinct, for instance, is one of the games mentioned that is trademarked in Nintendo of America's name!
Didn't you actually read the official press release?, it never mentioned those games. Even the RareWare trailer on the XBox official site only shows characters from the 4 games MS mentioned, Kameo, Conker, Perfect Dark and Banjo.
That bit at Planet XBox was purely of there own making AFAICS and is in no way official.. its all just assumptions from poor journalists AFAICS
To be honest I find it very unlikely that Nintendo, with few exclusive fighting games, would sell a biggish fighting licences like Killer Instinct, or that they'd sell as many licences as Planet XBox suggests. Yeah most of them aren't big licences, but I still doubt it. I'll doubt it no-longer though if we actually get something official rather then the king of the XBox fan-boy sites (Planet XBox).
People on both sides of the argument said that.
I'm starting to agree with CaptainHowdy here, your only seeing what you want to see. AFAICS he didn't ever say MS won't get any of these games (although as of yet we have no real info saying they have got games like Blast Corps and Killer Instinct) he said IF they did get them they would have to buy them from Nintendo, how was he wrong then?
Unless I'm remembering wrong?.. maybe you should quote his exact words?
Teasy, perhaps it wasn't in the press release, I could swear I read that elsewhere. Anyway, did you even bother to check to see if you are correct? Fyi Planet Xbox isn't the only website reporting this. I actually read it somewhere esle. I even just found a quote from IGN's article on this:
"IGN has confirmation that Microsoft will now own all of the intellectual properties previously owned by Rare including Perfect Dark, Banjo Kazooie, Jet Force Gemini, Conker, Killer Instinct, Blast Corps and Sabre Wulf."
http://xbox.ign.com/articles/371/371977p1.html
They say they got CONFIRMATION, so I'm going to believe them until I hear otherwise.
As I wrote above, IGN has confirmation that they got those titles. So it looks like MS got more than "some" of them.
I think you may be wrong on that. They must have gotten that information elsewhere.
Teasy, as far as we know MS/Rare owns these titles now. IGn got confirmation on this.
I read the the information elsewhere. Either way IGN GOT confirmation that these titles were included in the deal. So it wasn't just that Planet Xbox was making things up as you assume.
What makes you think MS are going to officially say anything about titles they aren't working on games for?
The RUMOR said the stampers were leaving or going to retire. You didn't deny that was happening and even agreed that was happeneing, so if you want to point blame teasy, fingers are pointing at everyone.
You can agree with captainhowdy all you want. I wouldn't say it looks good on you. So who am I or others here going to believe? IGN who says they got confirmation and MS/Rare really have these games? Or some people in a forum that haven't gotten a single thing right about what's going on? Hmmm, I wonder....
It's been mentioned various places. Here's one article from Steven Kent: http://www.msnbc.com/news/812540.asp?0dm=C21AT
Cyrbermerc,
Did you even see the video clip of the game running? it looks like a typical rare game, really, really good. I personally like the new Joanna dark character. I noticed right away what was influencing the character design. An old comic book called gen-13.
Anyway, the character is going to be much more marketable the way it is now. Just watch, I can bet there will be a perfect dark cartoon down the road. Computer animated perhaps.
I still think banjo kazooie is the most faggy character ever, but everthing else looks great.
Did you even see the video clip of the game running? it looks like a typical rare game, really, really good. I personally like the new Joanna dark character. I noticed right away what was influencing the character design. An old comic book called gen-13.
Anyway, the character is going to be much more marketable the way it is now. Just watch, I can bet there will be a perfect dark cartoon down the road. Computer animated perhaps.
I still think banjo kazooie is the most faggy character ever, but everthing else looks great.
Confirmation from IGN XBox?.. hmmm.
I actually would have almost believed this quote from them if it hadn't included the part I highlighted.
RareWare never owned those, we already know this. Although I suppose maybe IGN got confirmation that MS will own these licences now but just didn't realise that MS bought them from Nintendo.. so I suppose this quote can still be correct in that MS now own these licences. Still they can't be digging too deep if they still think that MS own these licences (if they indeed do) because they bought RareWare and not because they bought them from Nintendo.
If this is true then the only thing I disagree with here (when I say that I mean I disagree with what Nintendo has done) is Nintendo selling Killer Instinct. GameCube has very little in the exclusive fighting genre and they've sold the licence to a relatively big fighting game? I mean I didn't like KI much myself, but its still a well(ish) known fighting game.
I could be wrong on that yeah, its just the way it looked that's all.
I wasn't talking about what MS may have bought from Nintendo, that comment was directed at people that think that MS did not need to buy any of these titles from Nintendo. You and I both agree that whatever titles MS have with RareWare they bought from Nintendo, so we have nothing to argue about in this instance.
Yes that could be a reason that MS didn't mention any of these titles, if they did indeed get them. However all I was saying there is I will not just believe this info with nothing official, or even close, backing it up, certainly not some quote from Planet XBox. The IGN quote (al be it IGN XBox) has almost persuaded me that its true though.
Relax, my point was everyone at that time was saying the Stampers were leaving, people on both sides of the argument. If you want to say what you just said to anyone say it to Geeforcer because he seems to think that CaptainHowdy was the only person saying that the Stampers were leaving.
I've changed that comment already BTW, so it doesn't look like I'm taking a swipe at you (you mustn't have seen the change before posting).
What are you talking about?.. I'm agreeing with him that Geforcer is only seeing what he wants to see with regard to what CaptainHowdy has said in the past. As in AFAIK CaptainHowdy did not say that MS would not get any of these licences, he only said that IF they get the licences they will have bought them from Nintendo and not gotten them simply because they bought RareWare. I didn't even say anything about MS not getting these licences in that comment.
BTW.. you seem to be failing to realise here that I did not see any IGN quotes before making the comment you just replied to. I do not have a time machine Quincy ok.
And finally, AFAIKS I got one thing very much right here, so did CaptainHowdy in the earlier threads too, something you originally got wrong AFAIR. That Nintendo own/owned the licences for (I'm still not 100% convinced that MS got anything more then those 4 games) all the games that RareWare worked on.
cybamerc
I don't suppose you could point out the part, in that article you linked, where it mentions all those games going to MS could you? Its just that its soo big and I can't be bothered to read it at college. If not I'll just read it later instead and comment then.
I actually would have almost believed this quote from them if it hadn't included the part I highlighted.
RareWare never owned those, we already know this. Although I suppose maybe IGN got confirmation that MS will own these licences now but just didn't realise that MS bought them from Nintendo.. so I suppose this quote can still be correct in that MS now own these licences. Still they can't be digging too deep if they still think that MS own these licences (if they indeed do) because they bought RareWare and not because they bought them from Nintendo.
If this is true then the only thing I disagree with here (when I say that I mean I disagree with what Nintendo has done) is Nintendo selling Killer Instinct. GameCube has very little in the exclusive fighting genre and they've sold the licence to a relatively big fighting game? I mean I didn't like KI much myself, but its still a well(ish) known fighting game.
I could be wrong on that yeah, its just the way it looked that's all.
I wasn't talking about what MS may have bought from Nintendo, that comment was directed at people that think that MS did not need to buy any of these titles from Nintendo. You and I both agree that whatever titles MS have with RareWare they bought from Nintendo, so we have nothing to argue about in this instance.
Yes that could be a reason that MS didn't mention any of these titles, if they did indeed get them. However all I was saying there is I will not just believe this info with nothing official, or even close, backing it up, certainly not some quote from Planet XBox. The IGN quote (al be it IGN XBox) has almost persuaded me that its true though.
Relax, my point was everyone at that time was saying the Stampers were leaving, people on both sides of the argument. If you want to say what you just said to anyone say it to Geeforcer because he seems to think that CaptainHowdy was the only person saying that the Stampers were leaving.
I've changed that comment already BTW, so it doesn't look like I'm taking a swipe at you (you mustn't have seen the change before posting).
What are you talking about?.. I'm agreeing with him that Geforcer is only seeing what he wants to see with regard to what CaptainHowdy has said in the past. As in AFAIK CaptainHowdy did not say that MS would not get any of these licences, he only said that IF they get the licences they will have bought them from Nintendo and not gotten them simply because they bought RareWare. I didn't even say anything about MS not getting these licences in that comment.
BTW.. you seem to be failing to realise here that I did not see any IGN quotes before making the comment you just replied to. I do not have a time machine Quincy ok.
And finally, AFAIKS I got one thing very much right here, so did CaptainHowdy in the earlier threads too, something you originally got wrong AFAIR. That Nintendo own/owned the licences for (I'm still not 100% convinced that MS got anything more then those 4 games) all the games that RareWare worked on.
cybamerc
I don't suppose you could point out the part, in that article you linked, where it mentions all those games going to MS could you? Its just that its soo big and I can't be bothered to read it at college. If not I'll just read it later instead and comment then.
Guys, Enuf about IP's. MS has got them and frankly they can have them. The XB needs som color. It'll brighten up all of those games with dark grays, browns and etc.
Teasy, They might not be big licenses anymore compared to Nintendo's "Game Giants" but they will/should quickly become the XB biggest. It really needs them. Halo being the exception.
BTW, PGC is reporting that Rare will still be making GBA games for Nintendo. WOW! How strange. But a great move for Nintendo to at least retain a relationship with Rare hhmmmm. Odd but nice if this is true.
Teasy, They might not be big licenses anymore compared to Nintendo's "Game Giants" but they will/should quickly become the XB biggest. It really needs them. Halo being the exception.
BTW, PGC is reporting that Rare will still be making GBA games for Nintendo. WOW! How strange. But a great move for Nintendo to at least retain a relationship with Rare hhmmmm. Odd but nice if this is true.
Qroach:
> Did you even see the video clip of the game running?
Yes. It looks like crap. The game doesn't look interesting at all and the art is atrocious. I didn't like the way it looked at E3 2001 but Rare has actually succeeded in making it look even worse.
Technically it's also pretty underwhelming which is hardly a surprise considering how long it took Rare to make SFA look like a next gen title. Anyone hoping that Kameo will see similar improvement by its release next spring are fooling themselves... unless of course Rare follows its usual practice and delays the game.
> Just watch, I can bet there will be a perfect dark cartoon down the road.
Nintendo announced plans for a movie and tv series a while back. I wonder what will happen with that now.
Teasy:
A bit lazy are we?
Goldni:
> BTW, PGC is reporting that Rare will still be making GBA games for
> Nintendo. WOW! How strange.
Not really... M$ is a registered GBA developer and also released some GBC titles.
> Did you even see the video clip of the game running?
Yes. It looks like crap. The game doesn't look interesting at all and the art is atrocious. I didn't like the way it looked at E3 2001 but Rare has actually succeeded in making it look even worse.
Technically it's also pretty underwhelming which is hardly a surprise considering how long it took Rare to make SFA look like a next gen title. Anyone hoping that Kameo will see similar improvement by its release next spring are fooling themselves... unless of course Rare follows its usual practice and delays the game.
> Just watch, I can bet there will be a perfect dark cartoon down the road.
Nintendo announced plans for a movie and tv series a while back. I wonder what will happen with that now.
Teasy:
A bit lazy are we?
Goldni:
> BTW, PGC is reporting that Rare will still be making GBA games for
> Nintendo. WOW! How strange.
Not really... M$ is a registered GBA developer and also released some GBC titles.
Johnny Awesome
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I love Kameo, including the art direction. It was my Gamecube game of the show at E3 2001. I'm looking forward to it next Spring, only on Xbox.
