Yes. Though ideally it would be an established suffix such as “ti” so consumers understand what it denotes. 3050ti would have been a good option as stated by others. They used to have proper known suffixes to indicate lower performance GPUs before they became a completely anti-consumer company.
Nvidia's 3000 Series RTX GPU [3090s with different memory capacity]
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DegustatoR
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This is where we're completely disagreeing then. To me a memory size stated as a part of a product name is a lot more preferable than a "suffix" or any such meaningless bullshit added to it.
Even if the memory difference was prominently displayed (and it’s not) it still tells the consumer nothing about the relative performance of the two SKUs. This is predatory no matter how you spin it.
DegustatoR
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Neither does a "suffix". And the memory size is stated quite clearly everywhere.
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Is this labeling an AIB or IHV decision? Just curious ...No we're entertaining the idea that vendors should accurately label their products so as not to intentionally deceive consumers.
No but you keep trying hard to make it as if it is that some users are saying.
Also placing the memory amount right after the model name is what should be done, 30xx (ti/whatever) xxGB not at varying sizes somewhere else in the box
Also if the GPU in that model has different core counts don't use the same model name or at least add an LE suffix like TI that is using on models with higher core counts but within the base model and chipset used
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If we have 2060 and introduce a model, which is notably different (like in this case 6 vs 12 GB is on other fronts than just memory) yes, it would be leaps and bounds better to name the faster one 2065.
If the newer is slower, name it 2055.
arandomguy
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Except it isn't? Memory size is not included in the standardized graphic portion of the box.
Look at this example of why that is problematic (this is a 12GB 3080) -
Again Look at the green sections of the box (eg. bottom right corner front, bottom third of the spine), those are standardized by Nvidia. The model name should be there, and if memory size is part of the model name it should be there as well.
DegustatoR
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So this is bad because you can buy it thinking that it's 10GB?..Except it isn't? Memory size is not included in the standardized graphic portion of the box.
Look at this example of why that is problematic (this is a 12GB 3080) -
Again Look at the green sections of the box (eg. bottom right corner front, bottom third of the spine), those are standardized by Nvidia. The model name should be there, and if memory size is part of the model name it should be there as well.
Slower yes, it can be misleading sometimes although I still state that a buyer is responsible for deciphering all the stuff in a product name anyway. But it has been a dozen (I think?) of years since the last time a card with more VRAM and the same name had actually been slower?
arandomguy
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I'm just using RTX 3080 12GB boxes to illustrate what I'm referring to.
I just did it in paint, but it should ideally look like this -
This standardizes the labelling across all AiB boxes.
DegustatoR
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Agreed.
No. A "model name" doesn't have any core count or cache size or anything associated with it by default. It's just a name, nothing more. It should be different enough from other names to allow you to decipher the product specs from it but that's it. It should not include anything like a core count or such into it because otherwise we should just include all the specs into a product name if this is your intention.
What are you referring to? In this case you could buy a 12GB card instead of a 10GB one and this would be bad because? 10GB 3080 was discontinued at the launch of the 12GB model.
arandomguy
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I'm not sure if this is a communication issue or something but again that was just an example to illustrate the issue.
Are you not seeing how that would apply to the RTX 3060 8GB/12GB or the RTX 3060ti GDDR6/x? Or any other variants?
Surely you understand that nobody has much of a problem with NVIDIA stealthing in a superior product. The issue is when they sneak in a signficantly worse one with the same name. His point is so easy to take that I'm finding it hard to believe you're arguing in good faith.
10 GBs were available for quite some time after 12 GB came out.
It doesn't matter if it faster or slower, if it's different on anything but memory amount, it needs a different name, be it 2055, 2065 or whatever else.
The green portions on NVIDIA products are dictated by NVIDIA (and pretty sure same applies to red portions on AMD cards, as in dictated by IHV)
How can you even say that? The moment a company anounces pubicly the specs of said product at the reveal/announcement it is oficially associated.
arandomguy
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AiB box designs have certain requirements set out by Nvidia (AMD has it's as well). This is why you'll notice how all AiB boxes do have some common elements.
You can see my post here - https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/...070-3080-3090-now-with-tis.61978/post-2277699
The red circled areas for example are common requirements for Nvidia boxes, those sections have the GPU model name.
AMD has it's equivalent as well, which I circled in green here
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The funny thing is, I mentioned this earlier as well, is that neither Nvidia nor AMD use these common elements for their own FE/reference box.
DavidGraham
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NVIDIA is dominating everything marketshare wise, they don't have to resort to obfuscated naming schemes, it's not like people would stop buying their shit if it's named 3065 or 3060S or 3060LE or whatever, they are already selling the 60 and 50 class en masse, their 1050, 1060, 2060, 3060, and 3050 are dominating Steam charts, why the misleading names? This has to stop.
My GTX970 can confirm this. Which reminds me I never did apply to recieve my $30 check from NVIDIA.
Box labeling is AIB which operates under IHV guidelines, but product name is IHV.
