NVIDIA shows signs ... [2008 - 2017]

No, its not the same. Ati isn't responsible for producing the chips for the 360, they developed the IP, not the product. It's similar from a perspective of MS and Nvidia, in the way that MS handled the issue is similar to the way Nvidia is handling the issue, but I haven't heard MS blaming any of their suppliers for the problems yet.

 

MS itself didn't, but an insider did:

http://www.8bitjoystick.com/archive...about_xbox_360_red_ring_of_death_failures.php

 

That really isn't accurate b/c their "software fix" decreased performance. Nvidia could easily implement a "software fix" as well by that standard. Simply lower the clocks massively.

 

Subsequent reports indicate that the issue stemmed from the MS design implementation and the resolution was done by going back to the ASIC vendor to implement again:

http://www.eetimes.com/news/semi/sh...d=SEDOVWZF43Y14QSNDLSCKHA?articleID=208403010

Indicates that said ASIC vendor knew about these risks hence why MS went back to them.

 

my take on the whole issue,
1. its true and it was an issue, they have changed the substrate that was used in bonding

2. Nv is the blame as much as the assembler in this mess. When you design a BIOS to run your fan at 20-40% even under load, is it no wonder you end up with heat related issues. I BIOS flash all my Nv based products to 100% fan, 100% of the time and I have not had 1 fail yet due to heat related issues.(1 8800GTS 640OC and also BIOS OC'd, 2x XFX 9600GT XXX, BFG GTX260OC, eVGA and XFX OC 8600GTs) Had them all over 1 yr now and not a fail yet.

3. All laptop companies have their role in this as well, see #2 and add in trying to make things as small as possible and light weight. Gaming cards are not something you should do this to, especially if they are going into a lappy.

Part 3 has more baring on this discussion than anything.

 

Nvidia defines the specification for the thermal performance of the cooling for the gpu. AFAIK, the gpus are generally being used with nvidia reference cooling solutions as well.

 

And like the AMD fix, would render Nvidia GPUs very uncompetitive.

 

Most people would consider that unacceptable. I would never buy a product where I had to run the fan at 100 percent all the time for fear of complete failure. Just too noisy for a home PC environment.

 

For me its a none issue, fan noice doesn't bother me at all, I wear headphones and dont even hear the fans running when at 100%. Other, yes it might be, but again, it is an issue Nv made. Who in their right mind would think 80+c degrees for load temps would be perfectly ok for a GPU and have a fan spinning at anything less than 100% is plain loco. My cards never go over 70c with the fans set to 100%, and that is with OCs above the factory ones. And I do it not for fear of failure, but because I prefer my temps to stay as low as possible.

the 8800GTS640OC(without my bios mod) would hit 85c, with it, never went over 70 and that is with my BIOS mod OC aswell, the 9600GTs by XFX would hit 73, with the mod, 62, the 8600s would also approach 70 before the mod, now they barely ever hit 60c. My 260 has yet to even go over 55c since doing it.

 

I honestly did not see much sniping or personal attacks, but I may have overlooked them.

 

You're well into the minority. I wouldn't dare take my video card fan over 50%, let alone to 100%. Even with headphones you're going to hear that, even if they're closed. I would seriously question your hearing if you can't hear that, or you're listening to things WAY to loud. Also, the load temperature at max should be a function of what the GPU can handle. If it's fine up in those ranges (which it should be) then there is little reason for concern. Most people value silence to some degree.

 

Nope sorry, dont and the volume isn't that high, now if i put the case on my desktop and remove the side panel, yes I can hear it, but with the panel on and it sitting on the floor about 3-4ft away from ears, I dont hear it at all wiht the headphones on. I got good ones too, they kill almost 100% of outside noise. Hell, my wife has to yell or tap my shoulder when I'm gaming because otherwise i wont hear her. Was a nice 50 buy from CUSA before they died.

And yes, I am in the minority and I have no problem with that.

 

I think this means Geo needs a hug. Scrum time everyone!

 

Whatever works for you It's not strictly necessary tho, I've never had an Nvidia card fail period (except for the defective-by-design 6800LE). But then I don't overclock either.

 

Is the Gt200 ASIC likely affected by this combination of construction, die layout, & power draw, too?

Simple capacitor fix for the black screen issue.

 

Neither have I, but then again, I'd prefer to cooler running GPUs than really hot ones. My main rig with the 260 sits in a small room with one AC vent so it gets quite warm. The longer it takees to warm up the room, the better.

 

was sold for a loss. It isn't anymore.

 

I think we can all agree that most of the video card cooling solutions leave much to be desired.

I've long since given up on stock cooling solutions, they are incredibly compromised, quite honestly, I wish I could buy the cards without a cooling solution to save money and aggravation, since the first thing I'm going to do is put a decent cooling solution on the thing. In other words, my video card runs <50c at load with noise levels in many cases lower than the stock cooling at min voltage.

 

The current GT200 likely catches a break due to the thermal flux being so spread out across the die. But a lot of it depends on the die temps for it as well. Most designs aren't designed to run much above 80c Tj continually. And sadly thats where most of the GPUs run. Assuming the cooling solution is decent, one should never see this problem.