Nvidia Post-Volta (Ampere?) Rumor and Speculation Thread

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    If it taped out in march, it's at least 3-4 months before the silicon comes back and another ~6-12 months before product.
     
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    So 2020 Holiday season...? 'ish….
     
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    Earlier, 1 year from Tapeout till Sale is normal. As probably the big HPC chip taped out first, add 3 months to it, so May-June for HPC Ampere.
    But the smaller chips coming after shouldn't need more than 1 year and will probably get released in a similar timeframe.
     
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    "conducted"

    :wink3:
     
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    You're thinking "semi-conducted" would have been more appropriate ?
     
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    I think it's highly appropriate for Ampere. :)
     
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    Just to point out that they didn't actually confirm wether all of their 7nm will come from Samsung or just some, they've used Samsung before too at least for GP107
     
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    I think the GP108 (used in the very popular MX150) is also made on Samsung.

    In the meanwhile, I've been seeing reports saying that TSMC's vanilla 7nm have just gotten a "free" 10% performance upgrade, and that process' yields have jumped significantly.
    If 7nm DUV became so good, it makes me wonder what's the point with 7nm+ and 6nm.
     
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    Yep
    or is that "free 10 performance upgrade" really the '6nm'?
     
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    It's TSMC's 2nd gen 7nm.

    I got it wrong though, it's reportedly over 5% and not 10%.

    https://fuse.wikichip.org/news/2408...ls-2nd-gen-7nm-and-the-snapdragon-855-dtco/2/



    Still the difference to 6nm will now be smaller and 7nm DUV yields are said to be really high, on the level of 16FF+.
     
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    6nm uses a number of EUV layers.
    This 2nd gen 7nm is DUV only.
     
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    BTW, TSMC is now claiming that 7nm is cheaper than 16nm, in cost per transistor.
    Again, this is 7nm DUV. We're not into EUV territory yet.

     
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    Not much of a cost improvement though. And given transistor counts are increasing much faster than density is improving there's only one direction for end consumer prices to go.
     
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    Very skeptical about this claim. And it doesn't take into account the huge increase in design cost and mask set
     
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    true, but it´s Bits and Chips so take it with the same relevance as WCCFTECH :nope:
     
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    Whoever wrote the tweet didn't author the graphs nor TSMC's claims.
     
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    Do we even know if Ampere is a successor to Volta or Turing? I don’t think NVIDIA has ever indicated.

    I hope it’s for consumer and not enterprise. I hope they at least double RTX performance.
     
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