Nvidia Post-Volta (Ampere?) Rumor and Speculation Thread

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  1. DavidGraham

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    Some unverified rumors about Ampere:
    Good News:

    -Significant raster performance increases (higher than Turing gains)
    -Massive RT performance increases
    -Expanded VRAM capacity on the full range of SKU's.
    -Dialed down TDP's on many cards in the range (high end remains unchanged at 250w)
    -Increased core clocks (healthy 100-200mhz bump over Turing)

    Bad News:

    -Prices, unchanged on the most popular cards, slight decreases on the unpopular ones. (x80ti and x80's will see a price drop, while x70's and beneath will remain UNCHANGED)
    -Overclocking, core clocks stock will be higher than ever, 100-200mhz higher depending on SKU, however this does not mean the 2100-2200mhz ambient cooling upper limit of frequency will be broken when overclocking, which brings me to the next point.
    -Voltage limits decreased. We went from 1.2v of Maxwell and previous generation to 1.093v in Pascal (maintained in Turing), we will now see a decrease to sub 1v in Ampere, which will severely limit overclocking frequency, but has a positive impact on power consumption's.

     
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    -Significant raster performance increases (higher than Turing gains)

    I’m waiting for polygon output numbers of 5700 xt and 2080ti. @CarstenS do you have any values of the polygon performance?
     
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    I can easily see getting bottlenecked by pixel output at high enough resolutions, especially as we head towards next gen consoles next year. Nvidia already had great raster performance, weird to see it be a focus.

    Regardless the other things aren't surprising. New process, slightly higher frequencies at worse fmax curve isn't surprising. Pouring more into their specific raytracing is still a bit of a weird gamble to me, really reeeeally hoping RTX cards will be compatibility targets for devs once the new consoles come out. Not a terrible gamble though, as hard as Nvidia has been pushing it.

    And of course there's the "more ram!" needed for to keep up with the new consoles. I feel bad for anybody purchasing a high end card this year.
     
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    Going to be interesting to see what Nvidia can do when they actually get some heat from AMD and soon Intel.

    They most likely won't have any trouble, i think high end turing owners probably will get the better multiplatform games even.
     
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    What's Nvidia specific about the DirectX and Vulkan raytracing apis?
     
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    AFAIK, Vulkan has no generic RT API, only NVidias extensions.
     
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    Its going to be interesting to see how nVidia spends the transistor budget with a node shrink. While I love the fact that AMD has made such good progress with their Navi design, they are still more or less at parity with Turing in rasterisation. A node shrink "pipe-cleaner" of Turing could potentially surpass Navi even by "simply adding" more RT cores to the package and increasing frequency. And they seriously need to increase the RT side of the equation. A 30-40% performance loss isn't acceptable in gaming scenarios, never mind how advanced and bleeding edge the technology is. If it's going to supplant or heavily displace traditional rasterisation (and it will), then that price/performance to entry doesn't cut it. At least in my mind. A slightly faster 2070 series replacement that doesn't lose more than say 5-10% of frames when you turn RT on for the price of a current 2070 series though? Well now...
     
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    NVIDIA "Ampere" Successor Reportedly Codenamed "Hopper"

    https://www.techpowerup.com/261164/nvidia-ampere-successor-reportedly-codenamed-hopper

     
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    What is techpowerup considering a current MCM here? GP100 and GV100 that use HBM2?
     
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    Seems like it. They're confusing MCM with on-package memory, which of course are very different. And by extension, they're stating that a new multi-GPU MCM would be limited to the professional cards.
     
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    Technically they are "MCM's" too, as "multi-chip module" doesn't really specify what kind of chips we're talking about
     
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    Isn't what they are really talking about chiplets?
     
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    For the supposed followup to supposed Ampere, yes, but they're also calling the current GPUs with HBM2 MCM's in the bolded part of del42sa's message. And it's technically right, too.
     
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    NVIDIA Next Generation Hopper GPU Leaked – Based On MCM Design, Launching After Ampere


    https://wccftech.com/nvidia-hopper-gpu-mcm-leaked/
     
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    https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/magnum-io/
    https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/...ks-for-data-scientists-and-ai-hpc-researchers

    will Nvidia use it for Hopper MCM ?
     
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    NVIDIA: 36-chip MCM prototype
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    Hopper predecessor?
     
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    Seriously?

    Artists rendition of 36-chip MCM prototype concept might be a better description?
     
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    [​IMG]

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