NVIDIA Kepler speculation thread

[UniversalTruth]

Was the 670 both faster and cheaper than the 580 was 6 months before it launched?

I have no idea if it is but for sure they are on different manufacturing processes which makes the case a little bit different

Why the hell not? Its a next generation gpu (same underlying technology not withstanding) released a year later. Of course its going to have a better price/performance ratio, thats how its always been

It was ... in the past. Traditions are not what they used to be

All the smilely faces you post...

If it is your problem. So insignificant things which usually don't interfere with people. I use them only to emphasize my feelings or impressions, and because they are good looking

 

[pjbliverpool]

Titan begs to differ.

But I hope this information is correct, I could use a new graphics card.

Titan isnt the generational replacment for the 6xx series though, its marketed as an ultra high end product in the 6xx generation. I expect Titan 2 (if it exists) to be the equivilent 7xx generation product and I expect it to launch at the same price point as the current Titan.

 

[jlippo]

Titan isnt the generational replacment for the 6xx series though, its marketed as an ultra high end product in the 6xx generation. I expect Titan 2 (if it exists) to be the equivilent 7xx generation product and I expect it to launch at the same price point as the current Titan.

I quite sure that titan is 7xx generation product, if there will be titan2 it should be Maxwell based (8xx).

 

[A1xLLcqAgt0qc2RyMz0y]

If it is your problem. So insignificant things which usually don't interfere with people. I use them only to emphasize my feelings or impressions, and because they are good looking

They look childish

 

[UniversalTruth]

It doesn't matter and I don't care. If you have problems, then simply pretend that you don't see them. There is no need of constant CAVIL

 

[pjbliverpool]

I have no idea if it is but for sure they are on different manufacturing processes which makes the case a little bit different

But the 680 was effectively a mid range GPU being sold at high end prices so that swings things back again. But ignoring that, look at the 570 vs 480, or 9800GTX vs GTX270. It's perfectly common for the second fastest chip of a new generation to be both cheaper and faster than the fastest chip of the previous generation, even on the same process.

It was ... in the past. Traditions are not what they used to be

That may be true but if this is the way things have always been, what possible reason could there be to assume this rumour to be wrong? Its not like the rumour goes against convention, it's perfectly in line with convention. To assume the rumour is incorrect on the basis of a next gen GPU being unable to be both cheaper and faster than a previous gen is what goes against convention.

If Titan is what people are citing as evidence of a change in the market this has much more to do with AMD being unable to compete in that single GPU performance bracket at the moment. In fact I'd say it's a fairly safe bet to say that NV deliberately seperated the Titan from the 6/7xx designations to allow it to charge such a high price for what is effectively a mind share product while not breaking it's traditional price structure for the the usual generational product lines (6/7xx). As soon as AMD catch up in single GPU peformance terms the Titan brand will probably be dropped along with it's crazy price in favour of the traditional numbered series again.

 

[pjbliverpool]

I quite sure that titan is 7xx generation product, if there will be titan2 it should be Maxwell based (8xx).

The rumours of Titan 2/Ultra being a fully enabled GK110 disagree with that. There is no major technology difference between the 6xx and 7xx generations so I would argue the 7xx generation doesn't start until products baring the 7xx name launch.

You could argue that Titan isn't attached to either generation from a maketing perspective but it certainly isn't marketed as the high end replacement for the 6xx series. That will be the 7xx series job. Titan is more of a new market segment altogether, or at least a single GPU variant for the already existing ultra high end single card/dual GPU market. Once (and if) AMD catches up performance wise Titans segment will cease to exist IMO.

 

[A1xLLcqAgt0qc2RyMz0y]

It doesn't matter and I don't care. If you have problems, then simply pretend that you don't see them. There is no need of constant CAVIL

How can I pretend to not see them when you plaster them all over your posts. Even blind mice would be drawn to your posts thinking all that yellow were pieces of cheese.

 

[tviceman]

So the GTX 770 - a card faster than the 680 and with double VRAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...ption=680 gtx&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20 will be $60 cheaper?

I really don't think so. The other two are just as laughable.

I think the top end gk104/114/204 700 series sku will be $450. I think the Titan LE part will be gtx780 and will be $599.

 

[AlphaWolf]

Can you explain why you think they will release refresh parts (on the same node) at lower prices than street prices of current parts?

 

[boxleitnerb]

Maybe they feel the hurt of AMD Never Settle program and don't want to lose market share?
When are Jon Peddies Q1 2013 numbers due?

 

[DuckThor Evil]

Can you explain why you think they will release refresh parts (on the same node) at lower prices than street prices of current parts?

You'd be surprised if GTX 770 costs less than the 680? Look at 570 vs 480.

 

[tviceman]

Can you explain why you think they will release refresh parts (on the same node) at lower prices than street prices of current parts?

Pretty much this:

You'd be surprised if GTX 770 costs less than the 680? Look at 570 vs 480.

And the fact that 1 year later yields are going to be better on a now mature process with (perhaps) a slightly tweaked chip.

 

[pjbliverpool]

No one is saying the refresh for the 680 is going to be cheaper than the 680. Whats being said is the refresh for the 670 is going to be cheaper than the 680. Im not sure why people have such a hard time believing that. Basing the lack of belief on the fact that the 670 refresh will be faster than the 680 is silly since the 680's price is more determined by its market position than its cost to manufacture.

 

[AlphaWolf]

No one is saying the refresh for the 680 is going to be cheaper than the 680. Whats being said is the refresh for the 670 is going to be cheaper than the 680. Im not sure why people have such a hard time believing that. Basing the lack of belief on the fact that the 670 refresh will be faster than the 680 is silly since the 680's price is more determined by its market position than its cost to manufacture.

I guess the disconnect is the belief that the 770 will be the top part using that die. I rather doubt it. Using titan as a 680 replacement doesn't make much fiscal sense unless they are piling up bad dies in a hurry.

 

[boxleitnerb]

It does make sense since Nvidia cannot hope to compete with the 8970 or what that will be called with 256bit memory bus and only 1536 Cuda cores. As it stands, the 7970 GHz has 50% more bandwidth and 30% more compute power. With the latest Gaming Evolved titles AMD is pushing OGSSAA where it can bring those advantages to bear.

 

[Kaotik]

It does make sense since Nvidia cannot hope to compete with the 8970 or what that will be called with 256bit memory bus and only 1536 Cuda cores. As it stands, the 7970 GHz has 50% more bandwidth and 30% more compute power. With the latest Gaming Evolved titles AMD is pushing OGSSAA where it can bring those advantages to bear.

There won't be new high end chip from AMD before end of the year at the earliest, release date probably dictated by 20nm process availability.

 

[tviceman]

I guess the disconnect is the belief that the 770 will be the top part using that die. I rather doubt it. Using titan as a 680 replacement doesn't make much fiscal sense unless they are piling up bad dies in a hurry.

Hmmmm lets see.....

GF110 sold in geforce products costing $500, $350, and $300. GK110 sells in geforce products costing $1000 and probably $600. Nvidia is making way, way, way more $$$ per big die sold to gamers with GK110 than they did with GF110 and GF100. I do not see what is not to understand. The gtx770, will likely launch at the same price as current gtx680's ($450).

 

[iMacmatician]

There won't be new high end chip from AMD before end of the year at the earliest, release date probably dictated by 20nm process availability.

At that point NVIDIA is likely to still be "stuck" with the GK104 (770, 760 Ti), since Maxwell won't be here until the first half of next year at the earliest. A GK110 GTX 780 may exist to get a clear overall lead over the 7970 GE and to be a preemptive strike against a future Curacao part, and also to do so with a fairly "inexpensive" part (otherwise they would call it Titan LE or so and price it at ~$800).

 

[A1xLLcqAgt0qc2RyMz0y]

At that point NVIDIA is likely to still be "stuck" with the GK104 (770, 760 Ti), since Maxwell won't be here until the first half of next year at the earliest.

Why? Maxwell will be on the same 20nm process.