NVIDIA GT200 Rumours & Speculation Thread

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  1. XMAN26

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    Again, I no longer will fall for the ATI rumor mill when it comes to performance of their cards. Until they PROVE they can compete, I want to see it. And I when I say I want to see it, I mean actual gameplay(HOCP way or apples to apples, dont care) benches. Flybys, cutscenes, synthitics and walkthrus are not what a game is.

    Apples to apples would be game at same settings for both cards using the same platform with most currently available set of drivers.
     
  2. ZerazaX

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    Whats not to believe is that those 4870 and 4850 numbers for Vantage scores were made up: even CJ said they weren't his, someone else on another forum added them in when CJ only stated the GTX280/260 scores.
     
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    Sorry, should have sepreated my post and edited your qoute, let me fix now.
     
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    But you do still fall for the nVidia rumor mill when it comes to performance? :wink:
    Anyway, like said, those performance HD numbers came from a different source or a hat
     
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    So, are the HD4000 numbers higher or lower? :smile:
     
  6. XMAN26

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    Not entirely, but after the last 2 launches, ATI has gone from credible to prove it.
     
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    Expect an RV770 X2 to beat the GTX 280 by a small margin.
     
  8. XMAN26

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    I wont hold my breathe.
     
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    Never mind dual-GPU cards. Their performance is not comparable with single-GPUs.

    AFR sucks .
     
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    What about Crossfire AA ? For those of us with small displays that like maximum details? i don't get micro stutter with Crossfire as it is not pure AFR any longer. How else can AMD compete except with X2 and later X3?

    i hate to post this:

    http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7586&Itemid=1

     
  11. XMAN26

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    How about going back to the drawing board and figure out where you screwed up, fix it and then come back with a single chip that can compete. Oh, wait, I'm sorry, they already gave up on that idea and have desided that there only need to be 1 top dog and it aint gonna be them.
     
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    xman26: must you respond to every post in this thread?

    We get it; you don't trust ATi. Not many of us do either.

    There is this little thing called "hope" though.

    FFS, this is the GT200 thread, not the RV770/R700 thread!
     
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    I gotta agree there. My 3870X2 suffers from these nasty fps drops, and it makes me mad.

    I'll never buy this dual crap again.
     
  14. ShaidarHaran

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    A shared memory pool (if exploited properly by the driver) should solve many of the problems multi-GPU solutions currently experience.

    For the record: my own experience with X1900 CF back in the day was horrendous, so I am extremely distrustful of CF in particular and will wait until results are available before dealing in more than theory WRT R700.
     
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    Charlie Demerjian (over at The Inquirer) seems to have gone absolutely berserk!

    http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/05/29/nvidia-gt200-sucessor-tapes

    Among other things he claims:

    - The GT200b (55nm version of GT200) has now taped out.

    - Only 40% of the chips on a GT200 wafer actually work, and that's including the ones that only work as GTX 260 (but not as 280).

    - This means that cost per chip is ~$125 from the foundry, and more likely ~$150 with other costs factored in.

    - The boards are also expensive to make because of all the memory chips, large number of layers, and heavy duty cooling.

    - TDP for the 260 is 182W. For the 280 it's 236W.

    - The 260 performance will be directly comparable to the RV770 ("about equal for most things"). (Nvidia has big Z-Pixel advantage, ATI has big Shader FLOPS advantage). But, of course, the 260 costs about 50% more than the RV770. The 280 will be 25% faster (than RV770, I think he means) but cost more than double the amount.

    - GT200 is six months late, and they badly missed the clock speed targets.

    - R700 will "crush GT200 in just about every conceivable benchmark" and probably cost less. (He also reckons it is only a month behind RV770).

    - GT200b is only ~400 mm^2 unlike the 576mm^2 of the GT200. It may clock higher if the 55nm process allows better perf/watt. Board will likely be $50 cheaper. It will be out late Summer or early Autumn, "instantly obsoleting" GT200.

    - GT200 supply will be very strictly limited, with only 4 AIB vendors involved initially.

    - 260 and 280 prices will be $449 and $649. There is serious discussion of a $100 price-drop to bring price/perf closer to ATI level, but Charlie thinks this is unlikely.


    A lot of this probably rubbish, but if there really is a GT200b on the way, and it has taped out already, that is certainly interesting.
     
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    "Heavy duty cooling" ?

    Judging by the leaked photos, the GTX 280 cooler is practically the same one as the unit (same length, same fan, same general configuration, etc) found on the Geforce 9800 GTX -and 8800 GTS 512MB for that matter-.

    I think he totally lost it now...
     
  17. nicolasb

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    Well, that was my choice of words. :) He says:
     
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    Hahaha that Charlie....funny guy.
     
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    http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2006/09/13/nvidia-g80-mystery-starts-thickening

    :lol:
     
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    If these numbers are correct 280 is 70% faster and 260 is 58% faster than Ultra in Vantage extreme.

    A tad underwhelming, indeed.

    Seems 260 will be the far better value as well..
     
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