NVIDIA GT200 Rumours & Speculation Thread

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It has a S/PDIF connector, covered by a small black cap, just next to the 6pin/8pin power plugs (similar to the 9800 GX2).

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Oh, for goodness sake, why the discussion about "idle power"? This may be important for mobile graphics, but I'm assuming most of us plug our PC's into the wall.

Unless you're a power saving, save the planet, tree-hugger type, the watts at idle is completely insignificant - the noise of the fan is far more important IMHO. Are we really falling for the latest IHV spin i.e. "we slagged off ATI for the power draw of the 2900XT, but now we're in the same boat, it's idle power that matters"?

Who gives a crap about idle power? If it's fast enough, folks will buy it regardless. The problem with the power-hungry 2900xt was that it wasn't fast enough to justify a power supply upgrade. Maybe the GT200 will be, but I have my doubts given this "idle power" PR nonsense.


Completely insignificant? Nonsense? You have to be kidding me? The ability to have more flexibility for power savings is fantastic for the ability to save power when you're not utilizing the chip completely. It's completely logical. The savings from hybrid Sli to idle power are what these platforms need as they evolve. You seem to have a block of some kind by thinking if there isn't heavy power requirements all the time translates into weak performance.
 
Not having useful powersaving mechanisms in any kind of ASIC is kind of having your central-heating running in mid-summer and at the same time the AC on full throttle to keep your rooms cool.

Every sane mind on the planet would turn off heating during the warmer parts of the year (in "normal" climates, that is.).


As always - just IMHLO.
 
Completely agree with everyone here about saving power during all states, especially idle.

I'm a Uni student living at home, and my family aren't exactly filthy rich. The last thing I want is to push the family budget with a furnace of a PC.

Hence why I always pay attention to things like 'The 80+ Program', 'EIST', 'PowerPlay' and etc.
 
Oh, for goodness sake, why the discussion about "idle power"? This may be important for mobile graphics, but I'm assuming most of us plug our PC's into the wall.

Unless you're a power saving, save the planet, tree-hugger type, the watts at idle is completely insignificant - the noise of the fan is far more important IMHO. Are we really falling for the latest IHV spin i.e. "we slagged off ATI for the power draw of the 2900XT, but now we're in the same boat, it's idle power that matters"?

Who gives a crap about idle power? If it's fast enough, folks will buy it regardless. The problem with the power-hungry 2900xt was that it wasn't fast enough to justify a power supply upgrade. Maybe the GT200 will be, but I have my doubts given this "idle power" PR nonsense.

Well there are a lot of save the planet types. When you think about the electricity sector in most countries then this sort of thing actually does matter as in aggregate it is a huge waste that could easily be overcome if people did care about that sort of thing :).

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Sorry i posted before reading the thread and seeing it has been posted a hundred times before. Funny though that there was such a response it surprised me honestly.
 
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Others have already rebutted your "I have enough money" argument and I don't like to beat a guy when he's down... but in your case I'll make an exception.

You do at least realise that it's because of people like you, with that mindset, that we're in the situation we're in, right? Because I'd hate to think lurkers in this site share the same egocentric views on power efficiency as you do. If you don't like clean air or clean water, at least rejoice that you can use the monthly savings to buy your children some extra games.

Anyway, power efficiency, especially on IDLE states is what is most important to me. In fact, overall power efficiency has surpassed price as my number one priority when shopping.

As for the topic, I'm glad NV has finally seen the light and joined ATI in releasing more efficient hardware. The power draw at full clip is staggering though. I'm much more interested in mainstream hardware and I hope the predicted chasm between GT280 and GT260 does not pan out.

I'm sorry, but I tend to agree with him. Regaurdless of whether or not the GT200 would have been a power miser at idle, there are lots of people who still buy it including myself.
 
I'm sorry, but I tend to agree with him. Regaurdless of whether or not the GT200 would have been a power miser at idle, there are lots of people who still buy it including myself.

If we forget this eco-green-mentality (not that i'm againts it) for a minute and focus on the hardware, only:

Reducing powerusage when idle, also improves the lifetime of your GPUs. So it's a good feature for you guys and even more if you o/c it ...
 
Hybrid power is an amazing idea. HUGE selling point for me. Power efficiency is a big priority for me now. Any time the GPU fan is off to reduce noise is a huge bonus. Not to mention, these cards should have some pretty nice performance numbers.
 
I agree that Hybrid SLI/Power is a nifty option, but have reservations about performance. You connect your monitor to the mGPU on the motherboard that uses system memory. In performance mode this needs to be copied via PCIe. Hooray for Vista and all, but I'd prefer to be directly connected to the dGPU. Next gen will probably take care of dual DVI/display port.
 
Why don't you think green and turn off your PC when you're not using it? You claim you can afford the 100w of power (or whatever) but if everyone thought like you, we'd be wasting gigawatts of power.

Using power while gaming is one thing, but you're wasting far more power while idle than you are using while gaming.

-FUDie

Jeeze this is getting beaten to death; i DID bring it up first because i AM concerned about overall power usage My computer is a TOOL; it is on 24-7 and it works continually for me. Idle power draw is really very important to me. Not because i cannot afford my power bill, but because i care about what i am potentially wasting. i currently run 120w at idle; generally 24-hours a day and it IS "off" when it is doing no work [rarely]

Even when i go all solar and put in a well and windmill, i will still care about it. i NEED my rig powered on all the time. When i get a GT280 i will be saving even more energy; ~100w at idle, i guess; saving me ~ 20% of what my rig draws overall.

i am just glad Nvidia is thinking like i am - *green overall* - i already have the PS to support 850w - when it is needed or for SLu; not wasted - at idle - like my current 8800GTX [or my NOT GREEN 2900xt crossfire; i do NOT use Crossfire any longer - except to benchmark IQ comparisons; i am that concerned about wasting energy]

it is a very personal decision and choice and i should not have to explain it; clearly i will never get my "$650 worth" of power savings out of my new GPU - i am buying it to play at Max details and to upgrade my LCD from 16x10! That is all; power saving at idle is a bonus - for me! Not you.
 
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Unfortunately, Hybrid Power itself is in it's current state no option for the small minority already using a 30-inch panel.

Granted, i might be filthy rich owning such a thing, but consider that even someone like me could care for the environment. ;)
 
I'm sorry, but I tend to agree with him. Regaurdless of whether or not the GT200 would have been a power miser at idle, there are lots of people who still buy it including myself.

There's little doubt that this is true but the idea is you still may have this performance and yet have lower power requirements when you're not doing heavy gaming. The same thinking goes with hybrid Sli as well...........there's just too many positives to ignore to offer wording like completely insignificant or just nonsene.

It's absolutely wonderful to have the choice of a powerful single GPU; it truly is............but it's very nice to see the IHV's try to improve power requirements, too. It's a win-win.
 
I think we can just about wrap up the power consumption conversation with this:

Great for those that want it/need it, irrelevant for the rest but certainly doesn't hurt.
 
I think we can just about wrap up the power consumption conversation with this:

Great for those that want it/need it, irrelevant for the rest but certainly doesn't hurt.

You could, but you have to realize that it is a collective thing really. If 20% of people care and make an effort to lower their electricity use it benefits the 80% that do nothing as well. Thus with this the free loaders go away and everyone helps make things better :)
 
If it performs three or four times better than a R600 within the same power envelope and is using a single GPU to do it, then it's good enough for me.
 
You could, but you have to realize that it is a collective thing really. If 20% of people care and make an effort to lower their electricity use it benefits the 80% that do nothing as well. Thus with this the free loaders go away and everyone helps make things better :)

to build on this, let's remember that humanity has to cut CO2 emissions by at least 80% (some people say at least 90%) and that almost every country uses coal and/or oil on a massive scale to generate electric power.
 
Reducing idle power consumption is good.

Take appliances with standby modes. Most of the time, they will most likely be in the standby mode. This draws power, and if that could be significantly reduced, everybody wins (except for maybe the utility company who can't get the big bux in fees).
 
Reducing idle power consumption is good.

Take appliances with standby modes. Most of the time, they will most likely be in the standby mode. This draws power, and if that could be significantly reduced, everybody wins (except for maybe the utility company who can't get the big bux in fees).

Often even the utilities win. Look at CA they give bonuses to utilities for cutting load, so they have an incentive to decrease rather than increase it.

Oh and this is veering toward RPSC territory so I withdraw from the discussion now :)
 
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