Nvidia BigK GK110 Kepler Speculation Thread

I don't think it's fair. You are talking about pure framerates. But as far as I know in those years it had been exactly ATi and Matrox delivering 'much' superior image quality. And I don't like nvidia because once I owned Matrox G200, changed it to geforce 2 and image quality was dramataically worse. From that moment on no respect whatsoever to that company.
Framerates weren't the issue nearly as much as compatibility. nVidia, at the time, worked pretty well with just about everything. But the ATI Rage series often didn't. This was espcially true before the Rage 128 series.

ATI really didn't come into its own until the release of the 9700 Pro.
 
That said either I'm missing something or the difference in power consumption between a K10@225W and a GTX690@300W seems quite big. Of course do I realize that there are sizeable frequency differences and the K10 probably lacks the turbo mode, but if those early K20 specs are for real (13 SMX, 705MHz, 320bit bus, 5GB, 225W TDP), then I'm rather safe than sorry. Going up to say 850MHz+turbo for example even with 14 SMXs, 3GB 1250MHz GDDR5@384bit, doesn't sound at this point "that" encouraging for a ~250W TDP under today's conditions.
Well in terms of (SP) GFLOPS/W, the K10 has 20.3 GF/W and the 690 has 18.8 GF/W (base clock), a 8.6% difference. There's a similar but somewhat larger difference between the Quadro K5000 and the 680, maybe the lower clocks on the non-GeForces have something to do with it (the clock difference is also larger between the K5000 and the 680)?

14 SMXes, 250 W, and the same GFLOPS/W as the K20 would give 727 MHz. Of course, that's ignoring memory differences, etc. That's < 10% above a 1189 MHz 8 SMX GK114 or a 1006 MHz 10 SMX GK114, at least in terms of FLOPS.

I'm not sure if I shouldn't expect NVIDIA to have at least one GK110 GeForce with something like a 260-275 W TDP (275 W instead of 250 W above gives 800 MHz).
 
Sorry that I have to quote myself but perhaps you missed it:



So, why do people prefer iphone, istuff in general.
It is a simple matter of what people like more. It's more like a question of why person A has a lot of fans despite being what-ever-what, while person B doesn't look worse but people don't like him so much.

Simple psychology, very weird.

No, you have the feeling peoples prefer Iphones... Apple just own 15% of the mobile phone/device market... when Samsung own 37% of it with their galaxy line .. But Apple have a larger visibility on public news and global large public audience magazine have Samsung. With Apple you have a pure marketing effect who give the feeling, Apple is number one and there's only Apple then the other.

If we take global mobile device market: Samsung is number 1, then come Nokia, and far of them you find the other brands with Apple ( both Nokia and Samsung own 75% of the market, other are in the last 25% )
( with the bad popularity of Nokia thoses last years, it can be surprising to see them on the second place with 3.5x more devices sold of Apple, outside marketing publicity, you can see this due to the revival of the financial market in large public audience, and Apple with his incredible financial have there again a large publicity )


AMD GPU over the last years, are really stable: if we take IGP in consideration they sell 2x more of Nvidia ( Intel number one followed by AMD and Nvidia have 2x less gpu sold in this case of AMD ).. if we take only retail gpu... they hover around 50/50 ( AMD could be at 47% and Nvidia at 53%, last year or 2010 AMD was even higher with 51% vs 49% for Nvidia ).. offcourse the sell change, whatever it is when AMD release is full line up during the first 3 months of the year and Nvidia during the second half of the year, etc .


When i read some comment i have the feeling AMD own 15% of the gpu market and Nvidia 75%... it have never happend. CPU wise vs Intel this is another story..

ATI really didn't come into its own until the release of the 9700 Pro.

Haaa the 9700Pro Maya edition, i still have 2 of thoses sitting here ( one is surely still working, the other is part of the cards i have kill on overclocking and benching ) this was a so magic card. ( then i have got 2x 9800Pro ( killed too on overclocking ), then 2x 6600GT SLI and 2x 6800 ( killed too, but after have down many scores with the 6600 GT's ( damn good overclocking cards in SLI with subzero cooling ), then a x1800XT PE 512mb edition, 2x x1900XTX + 1 X1950XTX GDDR4 ( still working ).. ( dont laugh but i have nearly 15-20 gpu's unused who are sitting here ( need said i allways build SLI and CFX system till the 6600 period ).. ( its easy, i have absolutely no more any place for put my old motherboards box and gpu's in this room, I even have some old AtariST 1024 + Atari SH205 HDD who are still working ... If i make a list of all hardware who is sitting here...


(offtopic, i try to set for a friend 2 monitors with different resolution: a 12" and a 22" with cloned mode, if someone know how to do it on a GF104 ... ( i dont know why it allways switch to 800/600 whatever is the primary setup, on amd driver it keep both frequency and resolution in this mode for the different screen )
 
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I don't think it's fair. You are talking about pure framerates. But as far as I know in those years it had been exactly ATi and Matrox delivering 'much' superior image quality. And I don't like nvidia because once I owned Matrox G200, changed it to geforce 2 and image quality was dramataically worse. From that moment on no respect whatsoever to that company.

You are just misremembering. The ATI cards back then and openGL were death. And OpenGL was common then. The leadtek Nvidia cards had superb image quality. Nvidia cards were just more inconsistent since a variety of manufacturers made them.
 
lanek,

When you're done with the one sided Apple/Samsung comparison, you might want to look into profit margin figures as it might help understand why it's not so crucial for Apple to have the biggest market share in terms of units sold as long as they're still shoveling profits by the ton.

And while we're there to insert about anything irrelevant to the actual topic here, let's also do some console market share analysis, which for upcoming next generation consoles is equal to 0 for NVIDIA.

At the very least I'd love to hear some equally stupid notion that AMD got all 3 of those desigh wins simply because of any marketing stunts. When any company has N success in X markets its definitely because of marketing, black money circulating under the table or one company having a better Feng Sui in its offices than the other, nor are consumers complete idiots to consistently over and over again to fall through marketing alone for the same brand of hypothetical inferior products.
 
lol :LOL:

And where do all these discrete (add-in) videocards for laptops belong to?

They're not considered add-in boards. Don't know which category other than overall marketshare includes them, but Jon Peddies add-in board market share doesn't.
Jon Peddie Research (JPR), the industry's research and consulting firm for graphics and multimedia, announced estimated graphics Add-in Board (AIB) shipments and sales’ market share for Q2’12. The JPR AIB Report tracks computer graphics boards, which carry discrete graphics chips. They are used in desktop PCs, workstations, servers, and other devices such as scientific instruments. They may be sold as after-market products directly to customers or they may be factory installed. In all cases, they represent the higher-end of the graphics industry as discrete chips rather than integrated processors.
Note that laptops aren't mentioned, and it's a category that definitely doesn't fit to "other devices"
 
Laptops have nothing to do with the discrete GPU marketshare (aka add-in boards)
"Discrete GPU" would be cover Notebook discrete, desktop OEM discrete add-in (via ODM's) and AIB add in - thats whats reported when people list "the discrete GPU market" (particularly the top-line Mercury numbers that are often reported). Peddie's numbers there appear to be looking solely at AiB.
 
"Discrete GPU" would be cover Notebook discrete, desktop OEM discrete add-in (via ODM's) and AIB add in - thats whats reported when people list "the discrete GPU market" (particularly the top-line Mercury numbers that are often reported). Peddie's numbers there appear to be looking solely at AiB.

Yes, you're right that it could mean that too, but in this case (using Peddie numbers) that wasn't the case.

Mercury reports 57% discrete for nVidia in Q2, so slightly lower than JPR, but over 2% units higher than Q1
 
The lack of any new info or rumors is boring. With AMD's new drivers and game bundling, perhaps (more hopeful than anything) Nvidia will surprise launch GK110 as Geforce card early in very limited quantities to gain some bragging rights back.
 
What kind of new info would you prefer? Like announcements dates or?

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DRAM Contract Price Falls Below US$16 Due to Weak Demand

2012 was a good year for consumers buying DDR3 memory, I expect them to clean up next year. 2013 will be the year of VERY CHEAP pc parts if you have the patience to wait. Video cards, followed by motherboards are heading for the largest tumble. Best, Liquid Cool
 
Typically you'll see these kind of leaks when any product is fairly close to its release.

Well, they did claim they're on schedule for decemeber release on the GK110 Teslas, which is just over month to 2 months away now, so fairly close
 
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