Jeez, ED, just how old are you? At what point will you see that everything is not just black & white... and I don't mean anything racial here. You really need to open that mind a bit...... AND, I'm not talking about videocards..... Try and gain a little insite and wisdom, guy - it will make you a lot happier person and will give those you interact with some much needed relief....
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Shades of grey in every way. Here's a couple of interesting points to think about.
Almost every company hires promotions girls for trade shows to hand out flyers, man reception desks, etc. These are almost inevitably young and attractive. This is exactly what happens at ECTS, E3, etc. At what point does it become unreasonable as the clothes get more and more suggestive/revealing? Or is it always unreasonable? If so, how do Ford, GM, VW, Fiat etc. get away with it in the motor industry given that more than 50% of cars are now bought by women?
And here's another one: does the fast food industry cause more pain and suffering than the porn industry (when you consider the health implications and the mental suffering involved in trying to take a bunch of kids around town without a visit to a burger joint along the way....)?
I don't have any answers, only questions
I'm still sure this is the wrong place for this argument!
Almost every company hires promotions girls for trade shows to hand out flyers, man reception desks, etc. These are almost inevitably young and attractive. This is exactly what happens at ECTS, E3, etc. At what point does it become unreasonable as the clothes get more and more suggestive/revealing? Or is it always unreasonable? If so, how do Ford, GM, VW, Fiat etc. get away with it in the motor industry given that more than 50% of cars are now bought by women?
And here's another one: does the fast food industry cause more pain and suffering than the porn industry (when you consider the health implications and the mental suffering involved in trying to take a bunch of kids around town without a visit to a burger joint along the way....)?
I don't have any answers, only questions
I'm still sure this is the wrong place for this argument!
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And very proud of it we are to!
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Sorry to disappoint you, i like my life, i have a pretty GF, and good friends, just need to finish my Ph D and it will be perfect for the moment 8)
Well, perhaps my values are black and white, but hell that's what values should be. That doesn't means that sometimes imy action are grey
PS:What does my age have to do with anything? I'm 27 but i think there was already a Thread on age some time ago
Well, perhaps my values are black and white, but hell that's what values should be. That doesn't means that sometimes imy action are grey
PS:What does my age have to do with anything? I'm 27 but i think there was already a Thread on age some time ago
martrox said:
Sage, I hate to break it to you, but the people getting exploited at strip clubs aren't the women.
Russ, apparently you haven't been to any of the really sleezy strip clubs. there are some pretty horrible things that can go on there. There are definitely some decent strip clubs where the girls are well taken care of and the manager actually tries to make sure the girl's dont get mixed up in more risky activities, but often girls don't dance at just one club and they also will often end up getting talked into a more private show. It's sort of like the first time a serial killer takes a victim, it's often not planned the first time but after they have tasted it then they move on to even more violent and planned-out murders and the more they do it the more they need to do it. Any activity that the end result is something pleasurful (ie money in this case) can become very addictive which can cause a person to take it to extremes that they never would have before.
RussSchultz said:
Sorry, Russ.... but you are wrong. I was raised in a business - I later owned it - that had, among it's customers - many "dancers". While they made good money, the reality was they lived very tough lives, many were prostitutes, drug addicts and alcoholics. While a few were able to "take the money and run, most didn't. I remember I had a couple of girls working for me - they were very young, hence the term girl. They both thought that they might "try" dancing, just for a lark. The dancers, every one, told them just what kind of life they lived, told them they were crazy to even consider it. Niether did do it. Next time you "think" it's only the men that are exploited, ask a woman friend to get friendly with the dancers, and get their take on their lives.......
Evildeus said:Sorry to disappoint you, i like my life, i have a pretty GF, and good friends, just need to finish my Ph D and it will be perfect for the moment 8)
Well, perhaps my values are black and white, but hell that's what values should be. That doesn't means that sometimes imy action are grey
PS:What does my age have to do with anything? I'm 27 but i think there was already a Thread on age some time ago
I'm glad you are happy, ED, I'm not disappointed at all. It's just that being contrite is not usually a sign of happiness.....
And, you certainly have a right to your values, but that doesn't mean you need to foster them on others... again, not talking videocards here, please understand that.
I just found a grey hair this morning on my left temple, my first grey. I need a hug.
Sage said:
Lots of horrible things happen at textile factories. It doesn't make the industry a bad one.
martrox said:
So, you're saying that the men who walk in there and pay them money to show their bodies are forcing them into drug addiction and prostitution? And were the cause of their very tough lives?
Come on. Restaurant waitressing is a crappy job too, and drug use and achoholism is rampant there, also (its a very party oriented scene).
The problem is the job culture, not the job.
Sage said:
...no, I wouldn't. I may seem like I might, based on that post, but while I don't find the sex industry immoral, I do find it degrading (of course! How could I not?), and possibly the lowest profession a person could take... sorta like a worst-case scenario. And I know I'll never go down to that level.
The trouble is, stripping is still a 'questionable' profession, even legally speaking. It thus unfortunately isn't subject to many working laws, and as a result the owners of the clubs can be very cruel to their girls. I saw a programme a while ago on Discovery about a group of girls at one club who unionised to combat their oppressive employer... and guess what? It worked!
I.E. It isn't the profession, it's the money-hungry Club owners who RUN the business...Furthermore, prostitution is illegal and is thus underground, and totally unregulated.
Think back to days of old, when prostitution was legal/acceptible and there was at least one brothel in every town - did the girls succumb to drug abuse regularly then too? I very strongly doubt it.
If stripping and prostitution were treated as any other business in existance (save drug dealing), the problems associated with them would surely be reduced very, very heavily.
John Reynolds said:
::hugs:: Poor John...
Look, a lot of my high school class ended up working at the local restaurants. A lot of them ended up addicted to drugs and alchohol. That was the culture. Once the restaurant closed at 11pm, all these teenaged young adults had pockets full of cash (tip money) burning a hole in their pocket and went clubbing. Many of the restaurant managers sold drugs (even in the fast food restaraunts).
So, who's fault was it? Were these kids being exploited and forced into drugs and alchohol? or was it the job culture?
And sorry, Ante P, you're not going to demonize me by making some absurdist parallel of your own making that doesn't even remotely follow what I said or my train of thought.
p.s. I agree with Tagrineth's post above.
So, who's fault was it? Were these kids being exploited and forced into drugs and alchohol? or was it the job culture?
And sorry, Ante P, you're not going to demonize me by making some absurdist parallel of your own making that doesn't even remotely follow what I said or my train of thought.
p.s. I agree with Tagrineth's post above.
Pfffft.
The only reason "really sleazy and terrible" strip clubs exist is because PROSTITUTION IS ILLEGAL.
It if were a legal and respected job (as i think it should be) then "bad" things would be much less likely to happen. If our country wasnt so based upon its pathetic puritanical heritage that it could open up some about sexuality, then strip clubs wouldnt have to be (for the most part) dingy, crappy, out of the way places where abuses can take place.
Look - at any job, you could be forced into something you dont want. But you arent. Why? Because what you are doing is not illegal (as a job) and is respected, so if you complain to the proper authorities, they listen.
If a prostitute complains about poor working conditions, know what happens? THey haul her ass into jail for being a prostitute. What kind of sense is that?
Strippers are marginally legal, and recieve very shitty support as well - because society (wrongly, based on absurd religeous principles) looks down upon them, they dont recieve the quality of care that other regular workers do.
The only reason "really sleazy and terrible" strip clubs exist is because PROSTITUTION IS ILLEGAL.
It if were a legal and respected job (as i think it should be) then "bad" things would be much less likely to happen. If our country wasnt so based upon its pathetic puritanical heritage that it could open up some about sexuality, then strip clubs wouldnt have to be (for the most part) dingy, crappy, out of the way places where abuses can take place.
Look - at any job, you could be forced into something you dont want. But you arent. Why? Because what you are doing is not illegal (as a job) and is respected, so if you complain to the proper authorities, they listen.
If a prostitute complains about poor working conditions, know what happens? THey haul her ass into jail for being a prostitute. What kind of sense is that?
Strippers are marginally legal, and recieve very shitty support as well - because society (wrongly, based on absurd religeous principles) looks down upon them, they dont recieve the quality of care that other regular workers do.
