nVidia becoming so desperate for sales that it reverts to...

[Dio]

]Laugh now.. 10 years ago, the idea of having a Porn Star at a Video Game event would have been mortifying.

Are you kidding? There were several games marketed in the UK in the Spectrum days using porn stars. Admittedly soft porn, but since in the UK at the time everything else was illegal you wouldn't have got much star recognition otherwise. This link is from July 1987... http://www.ysrnry.co.uk/articles/barbarian.htm

About the same time there was a huge row going on over an advert that went into the game press with definite visible nipplage.

And there's ECTS about four or five years back where they had Patricia Ford, Lisa Boyle et.al. on the Eidos stand... there's several amusing anecdotes from that one but I'll have to keep quiet there

 

[Nagorak]

]Ok John...

What's immoral about being a porn star? Seriously.

You cant be serious.

Next you are going to tell me that Prostitition is not Immoral as well. I swear every single year more and more people lose touch with what even basic concepts of Morality and Ethics. I wonder where we will be in 10 years..

Prostitution isn't really immoral. It's just someone offering a service. I've never really understood what basis there was for prostitution being illegal, and I probably never will. Any two people can have sex if they want to. But if money changes hands then suddenly it's illegal? Yet, if you take someone out to dinner and pay for it, and then have sex, it's not illegal?

There's just no logical basis for it. Just another useless puritanical law.

 

[BoardBonobo]

]Ok John...
You cant be serious.

Next you are going to tell me that Prostitition is not Immoral as well. I swear every single year more and more people lose touch with what even basic concepts of Morality and Ethics. I wonder where we will be in 10 years..

And why would prostitution be immoral? It's the oldest proffession in the world, at one time it's members were held in high esteem. And even one of our most famous religious icons used to *hang out* with a prostitute. What is morally wrong with someone making prostitution their proffession? It only becomes an issue when it is a forced choice, and that is usually down to a failing within society as a whole.

And what's wrong with porn stars? They have made a choice again and that choice is to used their natural attributes as a means of making money. If you don't like what you see then don't look. Sex sells. That's a very simple fact, and in a male dominated industry it sells very well. Booth chicks have been a part of every computer show I have ever been to, people are still fascinated with the idea of semi naked ladies even though it has been done to death.

*Whats wrong with Nvidia Using Pediphiles?*.. *Whats immoral about being a Pediphile?*

I think there is a huge distsinction between paedophillia and prostitution and porn stars. In two of those examples the particiapants do so by choice and of their own free will. They also know what their choice entails and are mature enough to decide whether they will continue after their first attempt. In one of those examples the participants have no choice or have the their right to choose removed from them, they have no understanding of the wider implications, and are usually forced to comply whether or not they like it.

I think that is a very bad example from someone who expounds the failing morals and ethics of our society(s), it was an ethically bad choice of a morally repugnant subject. And at least spell it right, it's important enough to look up in a dictionary...

Laugh now.. 10 years ago, the idea of having a Porn Star at a Video Game event would have been mortifying.

Ten years ago and before there were semi naked ladies being used at computer shows everywhere, in the WHICH computer shows they used to have a stress booth. You would sit in a chair and they would attach fake sensors to you, a green light would show and you woudl be procalimed to be unstressed. At this point a whole bunch of semi naked buxom beauties would step out from the back of the booth and proceed to rub themselves all over you. The light would then change to red and a klaxon would sound, denoting the increase in your stress levels. Needless to say it attracted lots of attention...

A porn star is just a better paid version. Big deal.

 

[Ante P]

Now - sex slavery, OTOH, is extremely immoral. Forced prostitution should never happen and is totally wrong. But I digress.

Sometimes there's a thin line between doing what you want to do and doing something you hate in order to break daily bread...

Sorta like those brats who paid homeless people to beat the crap out of eachother. Sure they did it themselves but what else could they do if they're under heavy addition, have no roof over their head and no food.

 

[Sharkfood]

I can't believe anyone would be offended by having naked betties dancing around at a convention as part of the festivities.

Anyone that has gone to big electronics conventions KNOWS "booth babes" and even the occasional porn star here and there is all part of the experience. The louder, gaudier, colorful a presentation is- the better off the name recognition and memory of con-goers to remember the catch phrases.

Get one thing straight- PC and electronics fans are a majority of geeks. The people that work for these companies also like the "bachelor party" theme, with the more scantily clad betties and beer festivities, the better.

Conventions aren't supposed to be "professional"- they are meant to be extravaganzas where the providers book entertainment and frivolity while pulling out all the stops. Most hardcore con-goers dont remember most of what happened anyways from the severe amounts of alcohol consumed, so you almost HAVE to put a butt-naked porn star in the mix to make sure at least some braincells with recognition ability make the trip for the week after.

 

[Dio]

Now, whether or not it is 'necessary' or a 'good thing' is another matter.

But it happens.

 

[quattro]

i don't know what the fuss is all about. 3D Realms have been doing it for years. With rented midgets, also (or should i say vertically challenged?).

 

[Sage]

so much in this thread has offended me to the core, I simply cannot adress it all....

the whole boothbabe / porn star / prostitute thing is disgusting to me. the women think that the men are enjoying looking at them, but they dont understand that the men are, in their heads, turning them into objects to be used. men don't give a damn about us, they just want something pretty that they can fuck- be it alive / dead / synthetic, human / beast, virtual / real. They all see it as the same, just something to fuck and not real people. Now, yes, most men are not turned on by dead things and animals but it's simply a matter of what they find attractive and nothing more. A man that like to screw dead cows views them the same as a man that enjoys only living / synthetic humans.

"So what," you ask, "the women are still consenting to it." The problem is that they do not understand what they are consenting to. "Yeah, but they aren't getting hurt," you'll say. Well, then, is it not okay to take pictures of children in sexual positions as long as they aren't actually being physically or emotionally abused? I think that most of you would argue that that is most certainly not acceptable.

Also, need I remind you of just how many strippers / protitutes get pressured into a) drugs, b) undesiable sexual situations, c) physically abusive relationships. Also, many strippers / prostitutes end up getting raped / tortured / killed by some men who take objectivity too far? Did you know that 1 out of 10 women over the age of 21 has been raped or sexually abused? I'm sure most of you have at least 10 female friends or family and I want you to look at each of them next time you see them and think about the fact that at least one of them will probaly have had that happen to them by the time they are 21. I especially want those of you with daughters to think about that. And why does most of it happen? Becuase of the social acceptance of strippers / porn that promotes the objectivity of women. So, when you spend money on porn or strip clubs you are making a minor indirect contribution to the possible rape of your daughter / wife / sister. How do you feel about it now? I hope that when one of those women whom you care for is too afraid and embarassed to tell you what has happened to them that will scar them for the rest of their life you will think about when you stuffed those 1's between that strippers breasts and thereby helping her to become even more addicted to the money and attention that could eventually lead her down a path of drugs, STD's, forced prostitution, and forced sodomy. Now imagine that being your little girl.

I'm sure that many of you will find thing's here to argue about, such as many of the women that are raped / molested are done by people who are not the scum you find on the streats, but, rather, by friends or even family members. Yes, that's true, but where do you think they learned that such behavior was acceptable? Sure, some people are going to end up commiting vile acts without external encouragement, but that it relatively few. Next, people will argue that lot's of girls that are stippers or even prostitutes don't end up folloing such a dark path. True, but think of how many stippers and prostitues there are in your city, then think of how many there must be in your country, next imagine how many there are in the whole world. Let's say only 1 in 10 strippers (that would be rediculously low a number for prostitutes) end up in some form of forced sex or drugs. So how many does that make on a world-wide scale?

Once again, think of those women you care about and know that they could very easily end up in situations described above. The abuse of women is not something that's small-scale and isolated, it could be happening right under your nose, it could be happening right under my nose. The women you care about are in real risk.

I hope that I have made at least one of you aware of the impact of stippers, porn, and prostitution. Maybe I have even discouraged one of you from being "open to" such things (Tag..... I get the feeling that one of those two women you know may be yourself).



edit: hmm looks like i did adress most of it...

 

[martrox]

Whoa you really are 52!!! Only a dirty old bastard would think of such a thing.

MuFu.

And you have a problem with that?

Remember, folks, that here in the states we have a religious right mentality on public sex - incredibly sad, but true!

Like the British have potty humor....

And the French have no humor

 

[Dio]

There's a whole spectrum of issues here - it's enormously complex and I don't think you can reduce it to "why worry about it" and "evil! evil!". I'm also very certain this isn't the place to argue about it....

 

[Sage]

nah, i'm good at reducing things to simply "why worry about it" and "evil! evil!"

men = "evil! evil!"

all else = "why worry about it"



but seriously, I think I did succesfully reduce most of it to "evil! evil!" if you have thouroughly read my above post that took me an hour to write (and then 2 hours later I finally remembred what I came here looking for)

 

[Evildeus]

Sage, i understand you.

But i think you are constructing this the wrong way. Right now, porn/prostitution activities are at the limit of being legal. Thus people are using this fact to use violence on these women.

If that was seen as any other work, and protected as any other work, these women would have as much problem as there is right now.

PS: I don't mind gigolos also
PPS: Are we still on topic?

 

[K.I.L.E.R]

the whole boothbabe / porn star / prostitute thing is disgusting to me.

Yes it is. The worst part about it is that a "respected" company is encouraging it and using it as a marketing ploy to attract people.
They sure as hell wouldn't be doing it if it didn't help their cause.

OT:
There was an interview done on 60 Minutes about a pornstar and she cried on TV because of her experiences as a pornstar (she talked about them). People think that it's easy and clean, which in case it's rubbish. The poor girl even contracted a disease (something to do with urine, I forgot the name).

She signed up with an agency and was told she would have sex with 1 man. It turned out to be rubbish, she thought about backing out but was pressured into doing it.

What strikes me is that she continues to do it for the money. $100,000 a month. She made 500 movies in 1 year.
She suffers only for the money. For some reason I am not surprised.

Might I add, she takes drugs to escape the pain during sex.

 

[martrox]

Sage, while I make light of most things here - someone has to - basic fact is... you are absolutely right. Let's face it, most men think with the little head - hence the real reason for nVidia's marketing. And this is a male dominated industry....still!

With that said, there is nothing wrong with the female body and a little lust is not a bad thing as long as responcibility is taken and respect is given.

And, lets face it....most of these geeks will never get much chance to procreate....which is probably a GOOD THING!!!

 

[Sage]

the problem is that the women in these lines of work easily get addicted to the attention and the money, then they are more easily persuaded to put themselves in more compromising positions and start doing more and more to get as much money and as many clients as they can. It's possible for women in these lines of work to stay safe and professional but it's hard enough without the lure of money and (the false impression of) being loved. Also, you will inevitably get creeps who can be mostly harmless or life-threatening and its NOT easy to get rid of them.

 

[K.I.L.E.R]

the problem is that the women in these lines of work easily get addicted to the attention and the money, then they are more easily persuaded to put themselves in more compromising positions and start doing more and more to get as much money and as many clients as they can. It's possible for women in these lines of work to stay safe and professional but it's hard enough without the lure of money and (the false impression of) being loved. Also, you will inevitably get creeps who can be mostly harmless or life-threatening and its NOT easy to get rid of them.

It never ceases to amaze me what people will do for money.
It gets to the point where it becomes sickening and yet the person/s continue/s.
Do people see $ as the holy grail of some sort?

 

[Sage]

I think that the more they have the more they feel they need. It's just like a drug.

 

[John Reynolds]

Please, never show me boobies! Keep them away! Heaven forbid those ever see the light of day!

On the otherhand, toss me a shotgun and let me blow the head off the most realistic figure representing a human being. Let me steal cars from unsuspecting drivers and use it to mow down the unsuspecting pedestrian.

Pfft..

Exactly. Arnold can kill twenty people in twenty different, horrific ways and that's a PG-13 film, but show a little T&A and and it's an R.

 

[Sage]

now we are opening up a whole nother can of worms...

Entertainment industry has gone totally out of controll. In the US we are so incredibly insecure and stuck-up about our own sexuality that it's just rediculous. And as for violence (which is MUCH more harmful tothe mind than "clean" [ie not porn] sexuality and nudity) its unbelievable what we expose our children to. Watching a film of two people making love (once again, not porn) can actually be a GOOD thing because it shows two people having a loving, caring, healthy relationship (i said NOT PORN )

 

[Evildeus]

Well, then you should stop all kind of work because many people are addicted to money. I still think you doing it wrongly. It's not because one person does something wrongly that everybody will.

I don't know what prostitute thinks, but i do think they have different behaviors, as any mandkind. It's not up to you to choose their lives, like it's not up to them to choose yours.

It unfortunately reminds me of disgusting more extremist way of thinking like, they all can be murderers, then kill them all...

the problem is that the women in these lines of work easily get addicted to the attention and the money, then they are more easily persuaded to put themselves in more compromising positions and start doing more and more to get as much money and as many clients as they can. It's possible for women in these lines of work to stay safe and professional but it's hard enough without the lure of money and (the false impression of) being loved. Also, you will inevitably get creeps who can be mostly harmless or life-threatening and its NOT easy to get rid of them.