Mh, pushing the launch out for two weeks apparently did work wonders for availability. Some ruthless shops charging 800-900 Euro for a 500 Euro card. Well done, Nvidia.
Thank you, Cpt. Obvious. too-late-edit: I realize this sounds rude, so please add a -smiley mentally in retrospect.Nvidia sets the MSRP, the retailer sets the sale price on the shelf, be they virtual or physical.
I'm not complaining, I'm commenting on the reason Nvidia gave for pushing back 3070 launch two weeks. Maybe I would complain if I was in the market for an RTX card and desperately trying to buy one, having sold my 2080 Ti in advance and now dreading dec. 1oth with me sitting there on integrated graphics.If your complaint is about secondary sales (i.e. scalpers) buying up all the stock and jacking up the prices, this has been a problem in tech for years now. I'm sure measures can be taken to improve the situation, but I doubt the problem can be eliminated altogether.
Thank you, Cpt. Obvious.
I'm not complaining, I'm commenting on the reason Nvidia gave for pushing back 3070 launch two weeks. Maybe I would complain if I was in the market for an RTX card and desperately trying to buy one, having sold my 2080 Ti in advance and now dreading dec. 1oth with me sitting there on integrated graphics.
Fortunately, that's not even remotely the case, but I know people for whom it is.
This time NVIDIAs MSRPs are a joke, though, real MSRP is around $50-100 higher and it's not just retailers scalping. (after September all the 3080 AIB prices jumped in concert and FE's are nowhere to be seen, RTX 3070 AIB prices are way higher than FE to begin with and FEs are so limited it's ridiculous (not even all of nvidias own webstores got them, for example Finland was left without a single one)Nvidia sets the MSRP, the retailer sets the sale price on the shelf, be they virtual or physical. If your complaint is about secondary sales (i.e. scalpers) buying up all the stock and jacking up the prices, this has been a problem in tech for years now. I'm sure measures can be taken to improve the situation, but I doubt the problem can be eliminated altogether.
Looks like the 3070 was another paper launch in practical terms:
https://sea.pcmag.com/graphics-cards/39997/nvidias-rtx-3070-graphics-card-launch-was-another-letdown
This really begs the question, is Nvidia finding it difficult to produce even a ~400mm2 die on what should be a fairly mature process by now?
If 3070ti rumors are true, my guess is they launched non ti for the sake of it, but they will focus on ti's now ? Idk, this is so weird...
But that's rumored to be based on GA102 which is seemingly even harder to produce. They definitely need GA104 for the sub $500 market and perhaps they can drop the price of the 3070 to $449?
What I meant was, they can produce more, but if a lineup change is coming, they have no interest to do so. So they may be producing 30xx Ti right now, and not the original gpus anymore (I know it's still ga102 but you get my point).
To be honest I don't really believe this scenario.
Is NVidia keeping the best binning GA104s (GA102s too?) for laptops?
Could the definition of "perfect" be different with Ampere?Possibly, that's what they did for Turing. The perfect TU104 and TU106 dies went into laptops and Quadros. It doesn't explain why there's a shortage of lower binned / cut down parts though.
Yea I get your point, and honestly even I'm struggling to understand what the issue is. I'd speculated that perhaps it was GDDR6X prouction, which the 3070Ti is also using. But the regular 3070 with regular GDDR6 shouldn't have any problems. They can cut the price of the 3070 and continue selling it if the Ti is replacing it at the current price.