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DegustatoR
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I mean, eventually, kinda like NV1x register combiners were "the basis" for pixel shaders? Maybe but not on Ada.
That person has a very, very transparent political agenda in their posts and I'm surprised it's even being allowed given how obvious it is.
neckthrough
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That is correct. There are multiple variables on the cost side, but when one of the most important variables shows an unusually disturbing trend it needs to be acknowledged and understood. I am very glad that we have had a healthy conversation about this on the forum and there's a general awareness of what's going on.
Beyond costs, there are multiple variables on the business side as well. Both Nvidia and AMD have grown from being scrappy little companies to behemoths that don't want to mess around with low-margin commoditized products. Although most of their margins come from the datacenter side (see $36K H100), they simply don't seem to be interested in playing low-margin games even on the client side (with a few exceptions). That said, gross margin can, and almost always is, redistributed across different tiers in the product stack. And if demand takes a dump then they may be forced to swallow a significant cut to gross margins. If this happens, it will hit Nvidia way harder than AMD because GeForce is still ~50% of their revenue and may therefore require significant business-level restructuring (layoffs etc.).
Who knows -- they may still be able to come up with a creative way to redistribute gross margins, but -- closing the loop back to the cost equation -- the number of creative choices is dramatically reduced when your cost side is horrible and trending worse.
TopSpoiler
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Jensen Huang Q&A: Why Moore’s Law is dead, but the metaverse will still happen
Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang said that Moore's Law may be dead, but AI and gaming will drive the metaverse forward.
venturebeat.com
Gen 5?
DegustatoR
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Maybe it's there but isn't certified / enabled yet due to a lack of PCIE5 CPUs? Hopper has it, it is a bit weird that Lovelace doesn't.Jensen Huang Q&A: Why Moore’s Law is dead, but the metaverse will still happen
Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang said that Moore's Law may be dead, but AI and gaming will drive the metaverse forward.
Gen 5?
May also be because it would have required a PCB with a couple of extra layers with PCIe5's tighter signalling requirements; maybe the silicon supports it but adding some more PCB layers added too much cost to the BoM to make it worth it.
Kind of like how AMD's going in the motherboard space for AM5 - all the chipsets and CPUs support PCIe 5.0, but you've got to pay more to get it enabled/validated.
Edit: Just as an example, a lot of the EE articles about testing/validating for PCIe5 say that you can't even use FR4 as a PCB material with PCIe5 and have to move on to more exotic (and presumably much more expensive) ones, even if you manage to keep the layer count the same:
Getting Ready for 32 GT/s PCIe 5.0 Designs
The transition from older PCI Express (PCIe) technologies to the latest Revision 5.0 is on an accelerated path, with system-on-chip (SoC) designers seeing a much faster roll out than they did with PCIe 4.0. The recent release of version 0.9 of the PCIe 5.0 Base Specification locks in the...
semiengineering.com
PCIe 5.0 Signal Integrity and Analysis
PCIe 5.0 signal integrity follows many trends from other high speed signaling standards. Learn more about this high speed signaling standard in this article.
resources.altium.com
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arandomguy
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Alder Lake's already had PCIe 5.0 x16 off the CPU since last year.
Nvidia is advertising 8k performance of over 60fps, but isn't output limited to 8k 60hz since there's no DP 2.0?
arandomguy
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Nvidia is advertising 8k performance of over 60fps, but isn't output limited to 8k 60hz since there's no DP 2.0?
DegustatoR
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Somehow thought that it only had 5.0 for NVMe.
HDMI 2.1 also supports 10k120 with DSC.
Nvidia apparently clarified that 4000 series RTX are only PCIe Gen4 interfaces.Jensen Huang Q&A: Why Moore’s Law is dead, but the metaverse will still happen
Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang said that Moore's Law may be dead, but AI and gaming will drive the metaverse forward.
Gen 5?
gamervivek
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DLSS3 could hit 120 at 3x8k in some games.
12th gen Cores say hi
I see, for some reason the 8k ad page only mentions the GPU supporting 8k 60hz...
It can do 8k120hz hdr by using two dp1.4a's with DSC
arandomguy
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It's the opposite (well kind of), no dedicated x4 PCIe 5.0 lanes off the CPU, so all PCIe NVMe 5.0 support would be if the motherboard chooses to bifurcate the x16 lane. Chipsets also only support PCIe 4.0 as well.
Along those lines though it will be interesting to see how much RT implementation, direct storage implementation (particularly with GPU decompression), and sampler feedback might affect how how much additional data gets transferred via PCIe and whether or not we hit performance implications faster.
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Forza Horizon 5 is Finally Getting DLSS Support, but DLSS 3 isn’t Quite a Lock
It seems the beautiful Forza Horizon 5 is finally getting DLSS support. But is it DLSS 3? We don't know about that yet.
wccftech.com
Edit: Already mentioned above.
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