NV40/R420 Face-Off - Interesting debate over at FiringSquad
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AlphaWolf said:
Aargh, i've been trying to come up with reaons for what the best solution would be and i can think of many for both. Depending on the estimated clock speed on both parts and the yeilds on the current 16 pipe card.
But ok, i'm guessing that it'll be a 12 pipe native card. And keep the R9800 and rename it to X700 ? (not a suggestion though
)Bjorn said:AlphaWolf said:
Aargh, i've been trying to come up with reaons for what the best solution would be and i can think of many for both. Depending on the estimated clock speed on both parts and the yeilds on the current 16 pipe card.
But ok, i'm guessing that it'll be a 12 pipe native card. And keep the R9800 and rename it to X700 ? (not a suggestion though
After thinking about it for a while, I am now pretty certain it will be an 8 pipe part.
I think they would want something to move into the sub $200 price range right away. At ~500 mhz it would be performing close to the 12 pipe 6800non ultra part. It could also transition nicely to a mobility part.
Bjorn said:But ok, i'm guessing that it'll be a 12 pipe native card. And keep the R9800 and rename it to X700 ? (not a suggestion though
Remember what was discussed elsewhere: die size of R360 is similar to R420.
What if they redid the R360 core with .11 technology. and added DDR2 or DDR3 and released it as the midrange derivative. Would it cost much? and how much die space would they save?DaveBaumann said:Bjorn said:But ok, i'm guessing that it'll be a 12 pipe native card. And keep the R9800 and rename it to X700 ? (not a suggestion though
Remember what was discussed elsewhere: die size of R360 is similar to R420.
The article was sort of like reading a forum thread, wasn't it? Basically the only thing I agreed with Jakub on was the 6800GT's attractiveness at the same retail price point as the X800P. That doesn't mean the two cards will have the same street prices, though, or even the same software bundle (the Sapphire X800P at Allstarshop includes a HL2 voucher, so I'm guessing all of the X800Ps/XTPEs will).
Basically the only thing I agreed with Jakub on was the 6800GT's attractiveness at the same retail price point as the X800P. That doesn't mean the two cards will have the same street prices, though, or even the same software bundle (the Sapphire X800P at Allstarshop includes a HL2 voucher, so I'm guessing all of the X800Ps/XTPEs will).Pete said:The article was sort of like reading a forum thread, wasn't it?
According to ATi during the Toronto launch event they will not have any special bundle deal for the X800's.
I got into it with Jakub on another board about a year ago when I wrote that Doom 3's graphics used mostly DX7 generation tech. and he spouted off something like "dumbest thread evar". It went downhill from there.
DaveBaumann said:Bjorn said:But ok, i'm guessing that it'll be a 12 pipe native card. And keep the R9800 and rename it to X700 ? (not a suggestion though
Remember what was discussed elsewhere: die size of R360 is similar to R420.
Well, if we look at ATI's prior experience with R300, they shrunk the process and cut the number of pipelines in half to get RV350. The problem was that they also sacrificed a lot of performance by going to a 128-bit bus to get as small a die as they could. So in essence I agree with Joe about an 8-pipe R420 derivative on 0.11u, only they'll have to slap a 256-bit bus on it to get performance to around 9800 Pro levels and justify the $200-$250 price tag (considering that's what the 9800 Pro is going for today). But other than the process shrink, I just don't have a clue if or where they'd cut transistors to get the die size down further (wasn't it HyperZ that was dropped from RV350?).
I think for most OEM's and stores, there exist deals they still CAN take advantage of, they just don't HAVE to. The original deal with the voucher pretty much forced all manufacturers to honor it for a limited period of time, but since it costs cash for them to honor it later...? It was dropped from a lot of products.Pete said:
Since BestBuy for a while was offering it with just about EVERY Radeon they sold (not just the XT models), one can obviously see individual lee-way. I expect we'll get that again, too.
kemosabe said:DaveBaumann said:Bjorn said:But ok, i'm guessing that it'll be a 12 pipe native card. And keep the R9800 and rename it to X700 ? (not a suggestion though
Remember what was discussed elsewhere: die size of R360 is similar to R420.
Well, if we look at ATI's prior experience with R300, they shrunk the process and cut the number of pipelines in half to get RV350. ...
Couldn't Dave's talk about the similar die size implicate that the missing ASIC actually might be a higher performance part. Say, 20 pipes ?
Sounds good to me if true
