Yup. But keep in mind it's more Euro targeted...
Agreed. Launch title for the next box?
NPD October 2007
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Yup. But keep in mind it's more Euro targeted...
Agreed. Launch title for the next box?
Something actually more funny than the caturday gif's on gaf! http://www.ps3blog.net/2007/11/15/october-npd-time
archangelmorph
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Considering NPD numbers are only estimates it's possible that the figures could be way off for October considering Next-Gen.biz seems to believe that they didn't even factor the recent price drop in..
Next-Gen.biz said:
May be sony is speaking about shipped numbers as if you mix the price cut and up coming christmass retail have to stock up some units?
Joystiq's take on Sony's PR a little less glowy, though it was rather amusing
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/11/15/sony-october-strong-month-for-playstation-brand/
One of the funniest things I've read in ages
Joystiq's take on Sony's PR a little less glowy, though it was rather amusing
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/11/15/sony-october-strong-month-for-playstation-brand/
One of the funniest things I've read in ages
Or it's just trolling.
Or it's just trolling.
How is quoting the actual numbers - and a news article - trolling?
No need to be so defensive, Arwin. Normally you're good for a valued debate... what's changed? If you genuinely think it's a troll, report it and let a mod take care of it if they agree with you. If not, you'll know you are wrong and being overly-sensiitive... I personally don't see it.
Love this all, Sony PR is just laughable. Anyone who is defending it certainly has a flag tucked somewhere with a big silver "Sony" printed on it. It was a horrible month for the company gaming wise, taking all the last places is not a good thing, whatever Sony may try to get you to think. One must wonder what Sony's take on Nintendo's performance is, god like?
Joystick:
Overall sales for the brand (PSP, PS2 and PS3 hardware and software) were up 39% since last October to $353.4 million (not bad... considering the PS3 wasn't out last October)
PSP sales were up 120% year-over-year from last October (amazing what a price drop and redesign will do)
The PS2 is still chugging along and "remains the best-selling gaming platform ever released" (that's right... none of the other systems have yet caught up to its five-year, 100-million-unit head start).
According to the release, internal tracking puts sales of the system up 192% in the two weeks since the price drop, with 100,000 systems sold in the last week alone. Good news for Sony, surely, but not as good for the 121,000 people who bought the system at a higher price just last month. Sorry, fellas.
Those bolded parts are what I consider trolling. Up 39% is good, what does it matter that the PS3 wasn't out then? PSP sales up, yes, a price drop and a redesign. Again, so what? They're supposed to get sales up. And PS2, well, it's still selling really well. A comment like that is totally pointless. PS3 sales going up after a pricedrop, is bad for the 121.000 people who bought the system at a higher price, sure, but maybe that's also why some of them waited anyway and PS3 sales were a little lower that month?
*sigh*
I'm up for a good debate, sure, but that's why I didn't think this was worth it, or even this forum.
Joystiq and Inquirer are basically whole websites dedicated to the activity, imho.
Johnny Awesome
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Seriously guys? Are we really back to disputing the validity of NPD data just because the PS3 is tanking in NA? PS3 is now in danger of being worse off than Dreamcast at this point in it's lifecycle.
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iceberg187
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Err, Halo launched the same week as Fifa in Europe. He doesn't have a point when pointing out Fifa.
Sony's PR aside, I was never expecting October to be strong for the PS3... and I doubt too many here were. November and December will be the months that more accurately cast Sony's position of strength or weakness, in part because that's the holiday season and a good gauge for underlying demand, and in part because the 40GB model was introduced in November.
As for Ratchet and Clank, I'm sort of surprised that others here are surprised at its performance. Is it a game many of us own for example? Just because a title is excellent, doesn't mean it has the appeal for the core ownership base at the moment. Ratchet and Clank has always been a youth-friendly franchise IMO that though excellent in its production values, has not ever been a franchise I have played. I think it introduced an important front for the PS3 (kid-friendly, high-quality), but right now I believe the PS3 demographics are very different in composition than were the PS2 demographics at this stage of the game. My primary interest in the title is honestly related to the technology and the engine!
If it were Resistance 2 that was released, for example, I have no doubt the sales would have been much more appreciable. But Ratchet's a title that had to come out; Resistance will be for later.
I don't think Uncharted will get the sales it 'deserves' either to be honest. I don't think that people will doubt its excellence, I just think that the genre it belongs to has been on the wane for some time in the modern gaming world. (Great demo though...)
For the NPD's... company figures are always different, unless they specifically cite NPD. I take both numbers and form a composite in my mind, and my composite for this is: PS3 sales seem to be positively trending at least for the last couple of weeks (I take Sony at face value on that), and for October Sony had a relatively weak month compared to 360/Wii (I take NPD at face value as well). They needn't be viewed as mutually exclusive sets of information.
As for Ratchet and Clank, I'm sort of surprised that others here are surprised at its performance. Is it a game many of us own for example? Just because a title is excellent, doesn't mean it has the appeal for the core ownership base at the moment. Ratchet and Clank has always been a youth-friendly franchise IMO that though excellent in its production values, has not ever been a franchise I have played. I think it introduced an important front for the PS3 (kid-friendly, high-quality), but right now I believe the PS3 demographics are very different in composition than were the PS2 demographics at this stage of the game. My primary interest in the title is honestly related to the technology and the engine!
If it were Resistance 2 that was released, for example, I have no doubt the sales would have been much more appreciable. But Ratchet's a title that had to come out; Resistance will be for later.
I don't think Uncharted will get the sales it 'deserves' either to be honest. I don't think that people will doubt its excellence, I just think that the genre it belongs to has been on the wane for some time in the modern gaming world. (Great demo though...)
For the NPD's... company figures are always different, unless they specifically cite NPD. I take both numbers and form a composite in my mind, and my composite for this is: PS3 sales seem to be positively trending at least for the last couple of weeks (I take Sony at face value on that), and for October Sony had a relatively weak month compared to 360/Wii (I take NPD at face value as well). They needn't be viewed as mutually exclusive sets of information.
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I'm now starting to realize that MS has probably got the right idea with pricing. The software sales show them outpacing PS2 even though the userbase is much smaller. This shows that although the majority of console sales are at lower price points, the majority of games are bought by owners that purchased the console at a higher price point. That's why I think it's pretty important that they not lose much money on hardware.
No real point in getting a console into little Jimmy's hands this Christmas at the $299 price point if he's not going to buy very many games. Conversely, if MS doesn't have to take a loss to sell it to little Jimmy, then it doesn't really matter if he only buys 5 games used at EB.
The market has changed since PS1/PS2. Costs are higher and the market is more competitive. I think it's probably smart for them to stick to their guns and only lower the price when they can actually afford it. The software sales are still really good right now.
No real point in getting a console into little Jimmy's hands this Christmas at the $299 price point if he's not going to buy very many games. Conversely, if MS doesn't have to take a loss to sell it to little Jimmy, then it doesn't really matter if he only buys 5 games used at EB.
The market has changed since PS1/PS2. Costs are higher and the market is more competitive. I think it's probably smart for them to stick to their guns and only lower the price when they can actually afford it. The software sales are still really good right now.
archangelmorph
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But..
Surely by your logic the PS3 should have an astronomical attach rate right...?
... ... ... ... *cough*... ... ... *whisper* ... ...
Oh wait..
Heh, i never thought R&C would move PS3 (and itself) , sad to say, Unchartered is unlikely to do it for Sony either.
If i am Sony, i would pimp the hell out of Resistance (again), pack it with all the downloadable and extra contents, sell it as Sony's version of HL Orangebox, else there is nothing going for PS3 this year to make the headlines for j6p. They are probably out of touch with what gamers want now.
, sad to say, Unchartered is unlikely to do it for Sony either. If i am Sony, i would pimp the hell out of Resistance (again), pack it with all the downloadable and extra contents, sell it as Sony's version of HL Orangebox, else there is nothing going for PS3 this year to make the headlines for j6p. They are probably out of touch with what gamers want now.
Heh, i never thought R&C would move PS3 (and itself)
If i am Sony, i would pimp the hell out of Resistance (again), pack it with all the downloadable and extra contents, sell it as Sony's version of HL Orangebox, else there is nothing going for PS3 this year to make the headlines for j6p. They are probably out of touch with what gamers want now.
Seriously ... the PS3 has gotten enough FPS (apart from Resistance, notably CoD4, Haze, UT3, to some extent Warhak, but lots of other multi-platform stuff too), sports games and so on. All they need to focus on is staying competitive on those two levels, while showing that they are a well rounded console that brings unique games of all types to its platform. Uncharted and R&C (and to some extent Heavenly Sword) are essential games in that respect, and they will both definitely move systems during Christmas. PS Eye and related games (Eye of Judgment, the 8 PSN games) and SingStar along with the multiplatform games of Rockstar and Guitar Hero 3 add another area. MotorStorm and Formula 1 add to Dirt and shortly Burnout, and hopefully GT5 Prologue will make it to the US at least this time, to fill out the racers. It goes on and on - Sony just needs to keep filling out the different genres, make sure the multi-platform isn't too obviously behind the competition (keep an eye out for messy stuff like PES / Madden) while bringing strong exclusives to the table. It's not easy, but they just need to steamroller on ... there's lots coming still and they just need to make sure they get it out there.
Mind you, the 360 has moved itself into a great position in the US. I'm still thinking though that it will eventually be DVD that'll kill them, as well as having a difficult time with their first party stuff, but that's not a discussion we should have in this thread.
iceberg187
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Heh, i never thought R&C would move PS3 (and itself)
If i am Sony, i would pimp the hell out of Resistance (again), pack it with all the downloadable and extra contents, sell it as Sony's version of HL Orangebox, else there is nothing going for PS3 this year to make the headlines for j6p. They are probably out of touch with what gamers want now.
There are already Resistance ads in comic books and other things currently.
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