I can't tell if this is flambait or not. Can you elaborate more on how any console could have done what Nintendo did with the Wii? Other than the obvious but pointless "anyone can make a motion sensing controller", that is.
NPD February 2007
- Thread starter Rangers
- Start date
thatdude90210
Regular
I know. Just pointing out the vast difference in the two numbers. I'm not sure flooding the channels to meet a target is exactly good for PR, especially in a time where sales data are readily available.
You can't be serious.
I have read this 6 pages topic, and please, come on. Could people start moving from arguments beaten to death and look right at reality :
- Could you look at Xbox360's "success" from a worldwide perpective and not US centric ?
- Do you really think that home and LBP will be the things that will :
+ Appeal to mainstream
+ make people go forward the price, even in case of 100-200$ price drop, now.
IMO : the over-reactions in the forums upon these news are laughable (from a mainstream perpective)
NB : IMO, i was impressed technically by these, but i am not personnaly interested in those 2, and i think it is selling apple while the people await for pears.
- Stop taking as a given than EU will be PS3 savior : in France where i am, HD penetration is worse than US and Japan, and i don't see the type of excitement we've experienced with PS2... (In fact, i don't see any excitement at all)
- How can some here think that Wii doesn't deserve its actual success (which will, IMO, keep growing):
+ Does "accessibility" speaks to you ?
+ Even as a hardcore gamer : When you experience playing "Free hands" in Zelda and get used to it, coming back to a "normal" pad is quite uncomfortable.
- Could you look at Xbox360's "success" from a worldwide perpective and not US centric ?
- Do you really think that home and LBP will be the things that will :
+ Appeal to mainstream
+ make people go forward the price, even in case of 100-200$ price drop, now.
IMO : the over-reactions in the forums upon these news are laughable (from a mainstream perpective)
NB : IMO, i was impressed technically by these, but i am not personnaly interested in those 2, and i think it is selling apple while the people await for pears.
- Stop taking as a given than EU will be PS3 savior : in France where i am, HD penetration is worse than US and Japan, and i don't see the type of excitement we've experienced with PS2... (In fact, i don't see any excitement at all)
- How can some here think that Wii doesn't deserve its actual success (which will, IMO, keep growing):
+ Does "accessibility" speaks to you ?
+ Even as a hardcore gamer : When you experience playing "Free hands" in Zelda and get used to it, coming back to a "normal" pad is quite uncomfortable.
These numbers are indeed a bit worrysome. On the one side we have an expensive console, with not really very compeling, system seels kind of games, on the other hand it is the playstation we are talkning about and just 3-4 months after launch. Personally, I definitely believed that 5-6 million consoles would fly of the selfs without games and stuf, more or less what Sony was saying.
I have laos always believed that the PS3 would be doing extremely well here in Europe and take the lead quite quickly, however, now, just a few days before launch and at least as far as I know, no shops or internet shops in Sweden have sold out ther preorders. No doubt Sony is launching with more consoles than MS did and I think than Nintendo did as well, but still Europe is Sonyland, I would expect a million launch consoles to be sold out on the first day of preorders...
I have laos always believed that the PS3 would be doing extremely well here in Europe and take the lead quite quickly, however, now, just a few days before launch and at least as far as I know, no shops or internet shops in Sweden have sold out ther preorders. No doubt Sony is launching with more consoles than MS did and I think than Nintendo did as well, but still Europe is Sonyland, I would expect a million launch consoles to be sold out on the first day of preorders...
"Breaking news : PSP is the first portable system to ship 10 millions units". And we all know how that one turned out, right ?
DuckThor Evil
Legend
I'm sure you made a wise decision. Even today I could preorder PS3 from pretty much any store in Finland and quaranteed to get one on launch day, last time something like that happened was during the Xbox1 launch. Ok PS3 will ship in larger quantities in Europe than X360, Wii or PS2 did(well not sure about the Wii), but that only explains a portion of it. It's too expensive and it doesn't have games for now. As of now I'm thinking a big price cut is needed in order to move those PS3s, I don't think even software is really going to help it past X360 unless it get's a large price cut soon. Come on Sony it's 350e in Japan already, why am I looking at 650e?!
Last edited by a moderator:
Are you sure about that? That is not the case in Sweden.
At least one Swedish online shop has more than 1500 pre-orders and make no longer any gurantees to deliver on day one, an other one has put forward their delivery dates.
I agree with you : these price differences (the same applies to Xbox360) are unbelievable to me (as a consumer).
You add to this :
- No game
- No HD Display for the moment (still trying to lock the target, with 1080p Panel as a prerequesite)
- Few HD Movies (and not affordable - 30€ !)
You see immediately why i am not urging into "next-gen".
I wonder when all elements will be there for "HD gaming" here in Europe : 2007 ? 2008 ? 2009 ?
These elements are in my case :
- Console price within 200-300 € range
- 1080p panel between 1000-1500€.
On another side, my wii is pure and instant "fun and pleasure".
Amazon.de for example only allows preorders if you order a PSP+PS3 bundle at the same time (probably to keep preorders as low as possible, might be a result of the delayed launch desaster which they've learned from...).
But i think currently no more preorders even for this can be made afaik.
DuckThor Evil
Legend
Yes I checked today 5 popular websites and they all have some units left. Do you know how many units Sweden is getting BTW?. 1500 for one site sounds a lot! In Finland we are getting about 5000-8000 for the entire country. What site is it?
Which one? I thought that Webhallen, and the big ones like Elgiganten, Onoff and Siba are still taking preorders...
This one, but now the site says they may be able to fulfill all pre-orders, when I checked last week, they did not.
I don't know how many units Sweden is getting, I've heard a number of 40 000 for Scandinavia in total, that could translate to 10-15 000 units for Sweden.
tongue_of_colicab
Veteran
You with the sony defence force? If you dont like the wii thats fine with me but please stop the bollocks talk form your last few posts because their obviously isnt a decent thought behind them.
Lol, talk about spin. Ya, it's better now in the short term, 6 years from now, when they want to repeat the same profit making cycle with PS3...totally different story. It's extremely important for Sony that they build up an install base fairly quickly or MS will cement it's domination as the lead platform for 3rd party developers.
Sorry, LB, but youre argument that Sony getting outsold nearly 2:1 by 360 is actually a good thing for the company rings a little hollow
... lol, talk about spin... I don't think i ever even implied that the low PS3 sales are "good to sony". If i did, well i did post that VERY late last night. I simply meant that the PS2 and PSP sales are definitely a good thing cause they actually make a profit on each unit, unlike PS3.
Which is exactly what I said was obvious and pointless (how you could miss that part in my 2 sentence post is beyond me). Anyway, the same is true of every other successful product in gaming:
* What's so special about the PS2? Anyone could have made a console with a DVD player.
* What's so special about GTA3? Anyone could have made a ganster/sandbox style game
* What's so special about Pong? Anyone could have figured out TV + paddles + simple games is fun.
* What's so special about Pokeman (actually, scratch this one)
The point is that in this business, like almost every other one, it's not about the CPU or laser you use to read the data off the disc or some other patented innovation; it's about execution, having the right game system at the right price at the right time. Nintendo took a lot of risks and a lot of criticisms back when they announced their system (no HD support, goofy remote, GC 1.5). To say "anyone could have done it" is both meanginless and wrong.
Well if it's any consolation for Sony the PS2 outsold Gamecube and Xbox combined 12-1
Time to chop that price Sony.
I'm suprised they even mention XBox in the chart, its not worth mentioning such numbers IMO.
tongue_of_colicab
Veteran
Doesnt the 20gb already costs like 300 - 400 dollars in Japan? besides the 20gb wont be on sale in europe, atleast, not yet.
