NPD February 2007

Ahh but I would counter with the fact that much of the 3rd party offerings have been shovelware. There have been several really good outings however, and those are the ones that I've been eyeing for a picture on the sales.

Well, I agree it will be interesting (and important) to watch.

p.s.: Congrats on #4000. I passed that # a long time ago, but they took away my RPSC forum post count. ;)

I didn't have the thousands there, but no doubt I lost quite a few as well due to he RSC 'purge.' :)
 
Hardware - This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD
1. NDS - 108,631 | 111,926 | 1,597,965 | 15,603,644
2. PSP - 56,175 | 66,156 | 560,159 | 5,092,288
3. WII - 44,495 | 57,972 | 848,069 | 1,767,712
4. PS3 - 32,115 | 44,000 | 294,840 | 752,398
5. PS2 - 14,585 | 15,364 | 210,632 | 20,365,491
6. 360 - 3,333 | 3,379 | 68,722 | 333,424
7. GBA - 1,504 | 1,568 | 25,618 | 15,323,697
8. NGC - 240 | 303 | 4,672 | 4,174,140

Media create hardware 3/5-3/11. Maybe it can make PS3 fans feel a little better. Also wondering if those Wii sales are due to supply?
 
londonboy said:
Don't know what is so amazingly out-of-this-world surprising that a 500-600 piece of plastic and metal without much interesting software is selling less than something much cheaper and more accessible (Wii) and something cheaper and with a LOT more software (360, PS2, DS and the rest).

This is somewhat true (from demand forecast perspective). But people will see it as something symbolic.

Lately SCE seems to have gotten their act together (especially marcom side). It helped many understand and rationalize their moves better. As long as they stay differentiated, maintain the current open + honest communication channel, and continue to roll out exciting software, they should be fine. ... as in things are still within their control.

However it will likely take at least one quarter to stablize (patch up weakened links and relationships), and at the same time a few more to regain traction given they had so many mis-steps before.

Personally, I look forward to follow-up games, non-games, and services from Sony after their splendid GDC presentation (April !). I am also anxious to meeting unsuspecting European gamers in Resistance (Muahahaha ! to improve my Kill/Death ratio... I have been training !).

Also, how are Sony in trouble? Look how well PS2 and PSP are selling, relatively speaking. Does everyone forget the profits they make out of those? In a sense, it's better for them to sell more of those two to offset their massive losses.

Stringer will probably get some interesting and difficult, "future outlook" type of questions end of this FY. And yes the money from PS2 and PSP helps. The most important, however, is still their brand. Their PR guys will need to defend and extend it (We already see some initial moves, but they will have to do more). The Playstation Network team is probably working very very hard now too.

On a more productive note:

Could PS3 sales actually drop below six figures? (seems unlikely, given March releases)

How is the NPD reporting calendar like ? Is it by calendar month, or strictly by weeks ?
If it's by calendar month, then it's unlikely given new software release, the recently announced strategies and more number of days in each months moving forward.


Should it fall below 100,000... it's probably due to supply issues or some extraordinary events. It will also imply that Sony does not have up to date channel data (weekly or daily).

And, will Sony react with a slash and burn $100 price cut (that is what I hope will happen, just to inject some life into things)

Who knows ? It's very hard to predict Sony. They may do a drop like in Japan... but in my view, it may be too early.

If I was Sony, desperate measures, I would ditch the 60GB version, and try my hand at $399 20GB alone. You have got to get that thing to a reasonable price, pronto.

... which reminds me. 20Gb PS3 were hardly available in US recently and month of Feb. So that sales figure should be mostly 599 boxes.

I doubt that Sony will go that far based on 1 month's data.

In any case, if it's good news... studies have shown that they should release them incrementally. If it's bad news, just do it all at one-shot. So if they were to counter, they would probably do it in successive stages.

IMHO, dropping 60Gb is not really a good move. They can start with bundling and promotion first. They have a lot of things to sell.
 
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Yeah, that needed more crazy if you want to try and fool me into believing that really is Kenny.


The numbers suck. As a fan I'd say I'm pretty bummed. I always remembered how GC had anticipated releases that were supposed to free the GC from its 3rd place running everytime and everytime it was met with a slight bump in sales followed by a quick drop off back to normal levels.

I know GC and PS3 are not comparable but it just feels that way reading sometimes. People keep anticipating the market to respond so well to all this good news like the GDC presentation when I'm really not sure the public is smart or even cares enough to take note of things like that.

Usually when the ball stops rolling it gets to be very hard to get that push to get it going again, and frankly, I'm worried. I just don't have faith in the public to respond proportionally to any of this "good news".
 
Yeah, that needed more crazy if you want to try and fool me into believing that really is Kenny.


The numbers suck. As a fan I'd say I'm pretty bummed. I always remembered how GC had anticipated releases that were supposed to free the GC from its 3rd place running everytime and everytime it was met with a slight bump in sales followed by a quick drop off back to normal levels.

I know GC and PS3 are not comparable but it just feels that way reading sometimes. People keep anticipating the market to respond so well to all this good news like the GDC presentation when I'm really not sure the public is smart or even cares enough to take note of things like that.

Usually when the ball stops rolling it gets to be very hard to get that push to get it going again, and frankly, I'm worried. I just don't have faith in the public to respond proportionally to any of this "good news".

GC wasn't $600 though. If prices cuts and better games don't help the PS3, then it would be in trouble.
 
Usually when the ball stops rolling it gets to be very hard to get that push to get it going again, and frankly, I'm worried. I just don't have faith in the public to respond proportionally to any of this "good news".

The concerns are valid. We will be able to get some early indications in April:
* March NPD number
* In-flux of new gamers
* April Home beta

Sony should have weekly sales data for planning purposes, so they should be aware of any bad news (on the sales front) ahead of anyone else.


GC wasn't $600 though. If prices cuts and better games don't help the PS3, then it would be in trouble.

That's one of the key reasons I think price cut is the last thing Sony will try.... unless they have very good data and are very confident of their moves. 3 months of early data is not good enough. Their product is also not fully fleshed out yet.
 
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Speaking of GC, it was a total flop at $200, yet the overclocked version is selling like gangbusters at $250.

This is something I can never get over. If it was that easy, everyone would've tried it by now. That's why I'm not convinced at all by the Wii. Sales frankly defy gravity and it has to be a hype-inflated bubble of some sort.
 
GC wasn't $600 though. If prices cuts and better games don't help the PS3, then it would be in trouble.
The PS3 is off to a terrible start in 2 major markets. If required to use price cuts to drive sales, then Sony is in even worse trouble, unless they find ways of radically reducing costs in order to eventually profit from their console. I'm not sure how anyone can squint at the numbers and suggest "things are ok". If I were Sony management, I would be very concerned--the last thing I would want to hear 4 months after launch is "price cut". And not hitting 2 million in NA before sales dropped should be an ominous sign.

All that said, Sony has the brand and marketing muscle to turn it around. If I recall, the PS1 was not an immediate success either, but slowly picked up steam.
 
Well, I'm back from dinner.

Things are certainly progressing as expected, so... chill out guys - don't let it get personal. ;)

@Jacob: I think your post in #27 is more appropriate for a forum entitled 'BeyondDrama' :p Don't worry, three months into a consoles release does not a gravesite make. Third party developers will happily chug along making PS3 games - why would they not? Sony may continue to lose exclusives in that space, but they're not going to lose the games altogether.

I've got my own beliefs as to why PS3 might enjoy a development halo effect (not the game) later in its lifetime, but I'm not operating under that consideration for purposes of this post.
BeyondDrama! :D

But what would I do without my doom&gloomâ„¢ psychodrama (hmm, I would totally pay to play that in PnP RPG form)? Ok, ok, I'll chill. :)

PS: congrats!
 
The PS3 is off to a terrible start in 2 major markets. If required to use price cuts to drive sales, then Sony is in even worse trouble, unless they find ways of radically reducing costs in order to eventually profit from their console. I'm not sure how anyone can squint at the numbers and suggest "things are ok". If I were Sony management, I would be very concerned--the last thing I would want to hear 4 months after launch is "price cut". And not hitting 2 million in NA before sales dropped should be an ominous sign.

It's expectation...

When I said, "things should be fine"... it would mean that Sony still have control of the situation (as indicated in my earlier post). It could indeed mean that the management insists on the weekly sales report on their table @ 9:00am sharp every Monday for close monitoring and closed door discussion.

But I would think they are already doing that since this is still very near launch, plus they started at a high price USD600 (They would be keen to follow/learn about the new behaviour). By this time, because they know the full plan, they should already have contingencies laid out (but not finalized).

I would say they are probably very driven now (given the positive feedback), but careful or anxious to see things pan out.

All that said, Sony has the brand and marketing muscle to turn it around. If I recall, the PS1 was not an immediate success either, but slowly picked up steam.

We shall see. Where's my pop-corn ?
 
Usually when the ball stops rolling it gets to be very hard to get that push to get it going again, and frankly, I'm worried. I just don't have faith in the public to respond proportionally to any of this "good news".

The public shouldn't respond to good news. They should respond to good product. The problem is that Sony hasn't got a good enough product yet. The games aren't here yet. Home isn't here yet. The media functions aren't here yet.

When that stuff shows up... well I guess we'll see what the public thinks about it.
 
Speaking of GC, it was a total flop at $200, yet the overclocked version is selling like gangbusters at $250.

This is something I can never get over. If it was that easy, everyone would've tried it by now. That's why I'm not convinced at all by the Wii. Sales frankly defy gravity and it has to be a hype-inflated bubble of some sort.

You're not giving the Wii enough credit. It's gotten my retired parents as well as my 4-year-old niece into video games. It's definitely doing something right.

Phat
 
I am from Europe.

Nintendo is going to win Europe. As for Sony: higher prices, no HDTVs, no games on the horizon, an entire year of bad news. They are pretty much dead. As is next gen.

I feel sorry for those developing an exclusive PS3 game. Find a way to go multiplatform. Soon.

The real ps3 pre-order situation is doomed again?Srveral media says the PS3 pre-order progress was very well,but some people think it just they want bought it for eBay.
 
So my question to you is: Do you think this <150k/mo rate will be typical for ps3 this year? Why or why not?

Since the software situation isn't expected to improve significantly before the end of the year, yes.

And I expect a re-run in Europe aka Sonyland: queues and a million through preorders in March, so-so in April, diddly squat in the next months. Come on, Sony, make me eat my words :)
 
You're not giving the Wii enough credit. It's gotten my retired parents as well as my 4-year-old niece into video games. It's definitely doing something right.

Phat

Any console could've done that. For some reason, Wii has that kind of hype to do so (undeservedly so).

One thing is for sure, there has never been a system that sold without the games to back them up, and Wii won't be the first. If all it gets are GC and PS2/PSP ports, reality will give it a harsh wake-up call.
 
The real ps3 pre-order situation is doomed again?Srveral media says the PS3 pre-order progress was very well,but some people think it just they want bought it for eBay.
I'll be watching, but I don't think there'll be large Ebay phenomena during the European launch.
I was originally intending to be a major scalper myself, but dropped those plans (four additional preorders in addition to the one I'm still holding for myself) as soon as the delay was announced. The rationale was that anyone who'd be willing to pay inflated prices for a PS3 would have imported one by now. And I'd hate to be wrong, for obvious monetary reasons!
 
Sony is still forecasting 6 million shipped for fiscal year (ending march). Btw, NPD + Media Create + 1 million EU launch units comes out to be less than 3 million.

Well, just so you know 90210, Sony can still ship 6 million while selling three million - those aren't mutually exclusive situations. Not a positive situation per se, but in terms of 'meeting promises' and all that on the shipment side, it would certainly qualify.
 
Nonsense. The PS3 box is very sturdy. If you discard the 15 pound PS3, you are left with a robust and lightweight building block

We could build a fortress. :cool:

Call it, Kutargi's fortress of solitude, to retire in when he gets canned if things don't turn around rather quickly!
 
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