they have not gained credibility, only delusional fanboys are paying attention to that garbage. you should go read the eurogamer article they are confirming those clocks are confirmed for being in the final hardware as well those specs, so why would eurogamer give us an update.
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they have not gained credibility, only delusional fanboys are paying attention to that garbage. you should go read the eurogamer article they are confirming those clocks are confirmed for being in the final hardware as well those specs, so why would eurogamer give us an update.
Iwata did say NX could be one device or many, so it's certainly possible for Switch to become a few devices of the market demands it.
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So he guess all those hardware specifics out of thin air? Speaking of dillusional.......
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That's fine, but we are still dealing with mostly rumors. So what I find to be probable or at least plausible, another member might outright dismiss as false. Unlike Wii U where in game performance seemed to go against any optimistic beliefs surrounding it's specs, Switch seems to be in the opposite position. In game results are outperforming expectations for a low clocked Tegra X1. Nvidia must be wizard's with their tools and API, because developers seem to be praising Switch. Go check out Capcoms recent statements.
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FOR A MOBILE PART. You need to put context into the developers praise.
Previously, Nintendo also had Developers saying the same shit for WiiU, so take with appropriate mountains of salt.
this is just an opinion and not fact, so far most games are in line with what's expected, and with some being disappointing, zelda should diffidently run at 1080p with the DF specs, but that was probably a rushed port.
brit i was about to post the samething. developers are under nda, and they are pretty much pr talk.
Your stating fact? Sounds like an opinion to me. Assassin's Creed 4 ran in 900p on Xbox One, a last generation port. Cross generation ports never maximize the hardware. After seeing the innards of the Switch all so crammed together, it only made the Switch more impressive to me. A tablet sized portable capable of exceeding previous generation consoles. Good stuff.
What's funny is I actually think your mostly right, but I take offense with your opinion stated as if it were fact.
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we already knew the shield tv could to that, there are 360/ps3 games that run 1080p and some even with better frame rate then 360/ps3 so we know it has the power. so i don't know why you're surprised considering, switch doesn't have to run android, is coded to the metal, and has Nividia latest dev tools especially designed to take advantage of switch.
Zelda has a lot of foliage, potentially stressing memory BW, and the WiiU can't hold a steady 30 fps at 720p.
Nintendo may have chosen a stable 30 fps at 900p over a stuttering BW choked 1080p.
BW is likely the one area where NX doesn't have an advantage over WiiU. NX does not appear to have much BW at all.
I guess it's because for so long we assumed Shield TV ran at max clocks, and apprarently it does actually throttle based on the test done by the user at Gaf. So a Tegra X1 with the CPU cores clocked at 1Ghz, and the 256 Cuda cores clocked at 768Mhz, I find the results pretty impressive. Switch is also far more dense than Shield TV, making its thermal limitations much more prevalent.
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Some more stuff to add to the Foxconn leaker's list of specs, from that teardown. L-shaped heatpipe, for example.
Some more Tegra X1 part numbers:
Shield TV 2015: TM670D-A1
Pixel C: TM671D-A2
AFAIK the markings in the middle have to do with where/when it was fabricated and not the part number.
Both Shield TV revisions and Pixel C use the same 2x K4F2E30 Samsung DRAM. I'm not completely sure but I think it's the same on the Switch.
These Tegra X1s are probably all close to the same, and in particular the Shield TV gen 2 part and the Switch would have to be nearly identical to support the same decoupling capacitor layout on the package. It's typical for high volume OEMs like Nintendo to get their own part number and it could mean some tuned binning and configuration fusing but probably very, very close to the same die.
So it probably doesn't have much better perf/W than the original Shield TV. Which had 4x2GHz CPU/1GHz GPU and consumed over 19W under a heavy gaming load (http://www.anandtech.com/show/9289/the-nvidia-shield-android-tv-review/9). All this is without a display. Nintendo's usage estimates along with the battery rating (~16Wh) gives power consumption for Switch at about 2.5W to 6.5W in portable mode. Minus the display it'd be more like around 1.5W to 4.5W or maybe 5W. I just can't possibly see it running at 4x1.7GHz CPU/921MHz GPU and hitting that power consumption window. On the other hand, Eurogamer's 4x1020MHz CPU/307MHz GPU spec looks about right.
We know for sure that it does clock the GPU higher when docked. We can argue about whether or not Eurogamer is right and the CPU clock remains fixed. Personally I think Nintendo would be making the right decision to keep the CPU locked at the same peak clock speeds between mobile and docked mode, but I've made my case on this already and I don't expect anyone to be convinced now if they disagree.
Shield TV 2015: TM670D-A1
Pixel C: TM671D-A2
AFAIK the markings in the middle have to do with where/when it was fabricated and not the part number.
Both Shield TV revisions and Pixel C use the same 2x K4F2E30 Samsung DRAM. I'm not completely sure but I think it's the same on the Switch.
These Tegra X1s are probably all close to the same, and in particular the Shield TV gen 2 part and the Switch would have to be nearly identical to support the same decoupling capacitor layout on the package. It's typical for high volume OEMs like Nintendo to get their own part number and it could mean some tuned binning and configuration fusing but probably very, very close to the same die.
So it probably doesn't have much better perf/W than the original Shield TV. Which had 4x2GHz CPU/1GHz GPU and consumed over 19W under a heavy gaming load (http://www.anandtech.com/show/9289/the-nvidia-shield-android-tv-review/9). All this is without a display. Nintendo's usage estimates along with the battery rating (~16Wh) gives power consumption for Switch at about 2.5W to 6.5W in portable mode. Minus the display it'd be more like around 1.5W to 4.5W or maybe 5W. I just can't possibly see it running at 4x1.7GHz CPU/921MHz GPU and hitting that power consumption window. On the other hand, Eurogamer's 4x1020MHz CPU/307MHz GPU spec looks about right.
We know for sure that it does clock the GPU higher when docked. We can argue about whether or not Eurogamer is right and the CPU clock remains fixed. Personally I think Nintendo would be making the right decision to keep the CPU locked at the same peak clock speeds between mobile and docked mode, but I've made my case on this already and I don't expect anyone to be convinced now if they disagree.
"Originally Posted by Eurogamer
Documentation supplied to developers along with the table above ends with this stark message: "The information in this table is the final specification for the combinations of performance configurations and performance modes that applications will be able to use at launch."
unless we have solid proof contracting a reliable source like eurogamer, with such hard evidence and sources. i don't why this is up for debate anymore, they are on point. now the guy that has been preaching, The foxcon leak over everything else is saying these pics are from devkit, not final hardware, lmao
phoenix_chipset
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That's not how it works, nvidia bandwidth > amd (at least prior to vega) due to different memory compression.
It's also worth noting the draw distance is improved on switch as well, with other improvements/changes here and there. It'll be interesting to see if the draw distance, or something other than resolution is cut back in handheld mode. If that's the case then that would explain why it's only 900p docked.
Capcom recently talked about Nintendo providing an optional dev kit that includes a GPU capable of emulating Switch on the PC. Something about making it possible to do all the work on PC, which makes things much faster. This would make the Fox Con leak about the additional GPU plausible, but it's strictly for development kits.
I think the Eurogamer clock speeds are 90 percent likely at this point. I leave open the possibility of a clock speed boost in October because we have seen late in development changes to clock speeds before on various platforms.
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I think the Eurogamer clock speeds are 90 percent likely at this point. I leave open the possibility of a clock speed boost in October because we have seen late in development changes to clock speeds before on various platforms.
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The PSP had a clockspeed boost from 222mhz to 333mhz a couple of years into its life. Maybe Nintendo are leaving themselves a bit of wiggle room and, when they have a newer iteration with better battery life, they'll upclock the base model, at least when docked.
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