Nintendo on Gamecube Launch

TheChefO

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http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=65133

'This time around, Nintendo plans to do things a little differently: "We have been sharing information and development tools with publishers since very early on in the process..."'

translation - Developers have the underutilized gamecube kit to this point so its time for them to get to work.
 
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xbdestroya said:
And by GameCube you of course mean Wii/Revolution. ;)

lol - actually looking at the thread title in context to all the other talk on here currently it does look like a jab but it sincerely isn't .... promise. :)

Dispite its technical shortcomings whatever they may be I think Nintendo May have made the smartest financial decisions of the big three.
 
I'm not sure if your joking or just haven't clicked on the link xbdestroya The article is about Fils-Aime's opinion on the mistakes Nintendo made with the GameCube launch and also how things will be different with Wii's launch.. Hence "Nintendo on GC launch"
 
Teasy said:
I'm not sure if your joking or just haven't clicked on the link xbdestroya The article is about Fils-Aime's opinion on the mistakes Nintendo made with the GameCube launch and also how things will be different with Wii's launch.. Hence "Nintendo on GC launch"

LOL, no I wasn't joking in fact.... but I understand now where the confusion stems from on my part.

Since the majority of the article was on the 'strong' Wii development environment, I felt that such was the focus of the article, and thus the title should have reflected that. And I still think that would make more sense, but I see now that the entirety of it is trying to be presented against the backdrop of GameCube's weakness, and thus the title.

My bad my bad!
 
TheChefO said:
Dispite its technical shortcomings whatever they may be I think Nintendo May have made the smartest financial decisions of the big three.

Not if Blu-ray wins the HD movies war. Now if Blu-ray loses then yeah I agree with you.
 
mckmas8808 said:
Not if Blu-ray wins the HD movies war. Now if Blu-ray loses then yeah I agree with you.

What does HD movies have to do with Wii, they probably just go with DVD movies because it could play it regardless and they can make a extra cash with the add on.
 
mckmas8808 said:
Not if Blu-ray wins the HD movies war. Now if Blu-ray loses then yeah I agree with you.

I'm not sure if it's true but I heard a while ago that google's mantra was "don't be evil". To me I interprit this as 'don't unfairly use your advantage in the market.'

I think Sony is and has been going against this mantra since they were able to. PS3 is simply the latest and most exaggerated example to me and I will ban them from my household. This from a guy who bought Sony everything until ps2. In fact I have a Sony monitor at work (where I'm typing this now) because I requested it. My home theater is currently routed through Sony's top of the line es reciever from 1998. I loved everything they brought to every market they were in because historicly they stood for excellence. You typically paid for that excellence but it was justified by an unparalleled product.

They have been riding this reputation without delivering the promised product for far too long and frankly I'm sick of it.

They need some truly healthy competition to put them back in check. Until they go back to their roots I see no reason to support them with my money.
 
pc999 said:
What does HD movies have to do with Wii, they probably just go with DVD movies because it could play it regardless and they can make a extra cash with the add on.

Ummmm...because TheChefO said this.

Dispite its technical shortcomings whatever they may be I think Nintendo May have made the smartest financial decisions of the big three
 
mckmas8808 said:
Ummmm...because TheChefO said this.


When you consider that most analyists (yes I know 'what do they know') figure the cost of ps3 at around $700 it means Sony is taking at least a $100 hit/console.

Contrast that to the general consensus that the wii hardware is pretty "low tech" and relatively simple in comparison to ms/sony I'd say If they sell at $200 they're probably making about $100 profit/console.

Which makes more financial sense to you?
 
TheChefO said:
Which makes more financial sense to you?
The one that net's the most profit in the end. If taking a $200 hit on PS3 means cornering a 10+ year Optical format on which every movie is bought, Sony will be making more money than any amount of profit on console hardware. Hence mckmas's point that if BluRay wins, Sony made the smartest financial decisions of the big three.
 
Shifty Geezer said:
The one that net's the most profit in the end. If taking a $200 hit on PS3 means cornering a 10+ year Optical format on which every movie is bought, Sony will be making more money than any amount of profit on console hardware. Hence mckmas's point that if BluRay wins, Sony made the smartest financial decisions of the big three.

Thats a grey area though - if bluray is a success but ps3 bombs is it still a smart financial decision?

Sony is still "rakin in the cash" but that doesn't mean they didnt lose their ass on r&d and loss/console on ps3.

perhaps in the end its a wash for Sony. perhaps these factors push them into bankruptcy. or perhaps they become once again the leaders of the games market and control the movie market as well.
 
TheChefO said:
Thats a grey area though - if bluray is a success but ps3 bombs is it still a smart financial decision?

Sony is still "rakin in the cash" but that doesn't mean they didnt lose their ass on r&d and loss/console on ps3.

perhaps in the end its a wash for Sony. perhaps these factors push them into bankruptcy. or perhaps they become once again the leaders of the games market and control the movie market as well.

ChefO I think you have a very black/white way of viewing this... there are shades of grey (as you yourself mention). ;)

If Sony loses console leadership, but SCE remains overall profitable, and they succeed on the Blu-ray push - I think that would certainly qualify as a success.
 
xbdestroya said:
ChefO I think you have a very black/white way of viewing this... there are shades of grey (as you yourself mention). ;)

If Sony loses console leadership, but SCE remains overall profitable, and they succeed on the Blu-ray push - I think that would certainly qualify as a success.

In my last line I thought I made it clear that I was drawing a range of possibilities and that success with bluray does not guarantee financial success for sony. To the point at hand it does not guarantee more financial success than N may have with Wii.
 
TheChefO said:
In my last line I thought I made it clear that I was drawing a range of possibilities and that success with bluray does not guarantee financial success for sony. To the point at hand it does not guarantee more financial success than N may have with Wii.

Well... I'm not sure how familiar you are with these companies and their sources of revenue, but to paint the picture for you, definitive success in Blu-ray would probably mean more money ultimately than even a total meltdown in SCE would cause them to lose - it is the more important of the two... in a way. Just as they are going all-out on Blu-ray and slaving Playstation to the push to get the job done, proper positioning of the Playstation could assist with future initiatives as well. They'll already be using this gen to push digital content as well, but they *are* risking the brand to an extent, and cashing in on some brand equity for the sake of Blu-ray. Anyway... it could go anywhere from unrivaled victory (if PS manages to remain #1 again, and BD succeeds) to catastrophic decision (if SCE becomes unprofitable, and BD gets trounced), but Sony management has deemed the risk worth taking to help out Blu-ray.

Don't underestimate how important Blu-ray could be for Sony if it succeeds.

As for Nintendo... are you talking more financial success Blu-ray vs Wii, or Playstation vs Wii?

Blu-ray would *definitely* be the bigger of those two fish if it ever reached widespread adoption, and as for Wii vs Playstation, I mean Nintendo is more profitable than SCE even now, so I don't think anyone can doubt or question Nintendo's own strategies as they apply to them.

Myself, I'm predicting a marketshare slide, but continued profitability overall... and on the format front, think that PS3 inclusion will ultimately help BD gain acceptence.
 
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xbdestroya said:
Well... I'm not sure how familiar you are with these companies and their sources of revenue, but to paint the picture for you, definitive success in Blu-ray would probably mean more money ultimately than even a total meltdown in SCE would cause them to lose - it is the more important of the two... in a way. Just as they are going all-out on Blu-ray and slaving Playstation to the push to get the job done, proper positioning of the Playstation could assist with future initiatives as well. They'll already be using this gen to push digital content as well, but they *are* risking the brand to an extent, and cashing in on some brand equity for the sake of Blu-ray. Anyway... it could go anywhere from unrivaled victory (if PS manages to remain #1 again, and BD succeeds) to catastrophic decision (if SCE becomes unprofitable, and BD gets trounced), but Sony management has deemed the risk worth taking to help out Blu-ray.

Don't underestimate how important Blu-ray could be for Sony if it succeeds.

As for Nintendo... are you talking more financial success Blu-ray vs Wii, or Playstation vs Wii?

Blu-ray would *definitely* be the bigger of those two fish if it ever reached widespread adoption, and as for Wii vs Playstation, I mean Nintendo is more profitable than SCE even now, so I don't think anyone can doubt or question Nintendo's own strategies as they apply to them.

Myself, I'm predicting a marketshare slide, but continued profitability overall... and on the format front, think that PS3 inclusion will ultimately help BD gain acceptence.

Great post - Great response

getting to specific numbers. What do you think their bluray royalties total will be 5 years years from now? Best case/Worst case?
 
TheChefO said:
getting to specific numbers. What do you think their bluray royalties total will be 5 years years from now? Best case/Worst case?

Now this is a really good question. Does anybody know how much Sony makes per DVD and/or CD?
 
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