Next Generation Hardware Speculation with a Technical Spin [pre E3 2019]
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DavidGraham
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Yeah, that's exactly what I think ..
Definitely, and it's in line with the need for more efficient processing versus brute force higher TF.
But the reddit post is still ridiculous. If it ends up 8TF it's pure coincidence.
But is that how AMD is handling RT? Dedicated hardware?
Personally I'm not sure if RT is even worth it on consoles yet...
Working smarter is going to be critical from this point forward. Node gains are going ot be less frequent and cost more. The way forward is going to be smarter processing or dedicated accelerators for certain functions until things get to a point where we can go back to more generic.
At this point in time, to obtain graphical gains we need RT acceleration. I honestly don't think you're going to go much further without it, the biggest items being AO, GI, Shadows, and Reflections which have largely been left on the back burner for since... nearly since the inception of our gaming. A new generation of console will lock the feature set for 6-8 years here.
By the time consoles release RT would have been out in the wild for 2, it almost seems entirely amiss to bet on any other technology; Aside from RT, what else is coming down the line other than a bunch of compute based algorithms that attempt to do what RT is doing but without the acceleration hardware?
This would legitimately shock me if one console shipped with RT and the other didn't. It would have been in use for 2 years, with vendors working on their hardware solutions for even longer. What excuse could there be to really ignore the movement towards RT?
We need to stop looking at what exclusives can do with the hardware, and look at what 3P can achieve. You want the median of graphics quality across all your titles to move up, not just the 1% who can craft an entire game with an obscene amount of support, time and funding designed around 1 specific hardware profile.
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I think this would be the big driver.
HBRU
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Probably can be dead silicon for years... But some RT specialized silicon I'm sure can be really useful in next years as graphic engines start to use it in an interesting, efficient way. Probably AMD has the chance to set up a kind of "standard" of the amount and usability of it... Same as the 16 thread CPU, that's clearly an overhead now. But it can help selling Ryzens...
Well, given how zen+ cores are much more capable than jaguar core in todays console, I still think it's a big, big boost, very needed, even of "only" 7 cores are really available, maybe with smt in top of that.
And I don't want to pay my PS5 699€ because of 2 more cores
I want at least a 5x boost.
I wish this can be true but I really doubt it.
12tf is the minimum for me as well.
I sincerely hope they will reach 15tf.
Still almost 2 years to go. I expect consoles to start at 499$ which will make sense since 399$ has been the gold standard since 2005, 15 years before with inflation and everything. I want a powerful console, 100$ more at launch is not a problem.
Calculating the growth for 4 years using the growth from PS4 to PS4Pro (2.28) the result is 12.5TF
Another thing to consider is that these console will be targeting 4K which is 4 times 1080 a much bigger leap than the one from 720p to 1080p
Metal_Spirit
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If Polaris is a gain of 2.5x performance/watt, then Navi is at least another 2.5x from Polaris, according to the above image.
If Microsoft managed 6 TFLOPS with the X, then 12 should be possible with the same power consumption.
If Polaris is a gain of 2.5x performance/watt, then Navi is at least another 2.5x from Polaris, according to the above image.
If Microsoft managed 6 TFLOPS with the X, then 12 should be possible with the same power consumption.
Or Fantastically Deluded...Deludedly Fantastic?
anexanhume
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Did Polaris actually achieve that gain though?
This roadmap is post Polaris launch, so unless AMD misrepresented or used an obscure metric, the answer is yes.
I felt like I seen that slide pre-Polaris launch.
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