Next-Gen iPhone & iPhone Nano Speculation
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I know, hence my comment.
Oh I'd like to see it but because of costs, they probably won't. Plus, the installed base of computers with TB is a tiny sliver right now. Even USB 3.0 is probably doesn't have a big enough installed base.
iOS5 reduces the dependence on syncing by cable.
OTOH, iOS devices could be a great way to spread adoption of TB. Maybe Intel should cut them a deal on the controllers.
iOS5 reduces the dependence on syncing by cable.
OTOH, iOS devices could be a great way to spread adoption of TB. Maybe Intel should cut them a deal on the controllers.
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Too soon for 32/28nm, and I don't know if a full A5 would be a proper fit for a phone.
Maybe they'll come up with an A5b or something using something like a ~300MHz SGX543MP1. It'd be a good fit for the 960*640 resolution, keeping approximately the "power per pixel" as the ipad 2.
And maybe couple that with a single-core Cortex A9 @ ~1.4Ghz max instead of a sub-1GHz dual-core.
It could increase the battery longevity quite a bit.
I think the cores in the A5 were implemented at a larger-than-typical size specifically to accommodate the stricter power and heat requirements of a phone, so I doubt fitting the full A5 has ever been a concern. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't even lower the clocks relative to iPad 2.
Unless Samsung was ready early and is devoting all of their 32nm capacity to Apple, fabrication still has to be the same 45nm process.
My personal wish list: A5, 1 GB RAM, OpenCL integration sooner rather than later, a bigger screen with an only slightly larger form factor (get rid of some of the wasted space), and a slightly higher capacity battery at least. Of the known improvements, I'm most excited about them finally cutting the cord to iTunes: OTA updates and no need to activate via sync.
Unless Samsung was ready early and is devoting all of their 32nm capacity to Apple, fabrication still has to be the same 45nm process.
My personal wish list: A5, 1 GB RAM, OpenCL integration sooner rather than later, a bigger screen with an only slightly larger form factor (get rid of some of the wasted space), and a slightly higher capacity battery at least. Of the known improvements, I'm most excited about them finally cutting the cord to iTunes: OTA updates and no need to activate via sync.
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Any bets on whether Apple will actually launch both an iPhone 4S and a redesigned iPhone 5?
Personally I'm doubtful Apple will have 2 new models. With what we pretty much know about the iPhone 4S with its redesigned antennae for world-mode, Apple A5, and 8MP camera, that doesn't sound like something Apple will be selling for $99. And if the low-end model has all those features, what's left to differentiate the high-end iPhone 5 other just a new chassis design?
On the other hand, that Apple is only giving a minor refresh to the 5th gen iPod Touch probably staying with the Apple A4, could be a sign that Apple is reallocating the Touch's A5 SoC supply to the support two Apple A5 phone models. And if Voice Assist is tied to the Apple A5 as rumoured and Apple really wants to push adoption of this feature, then they may want even the low-end model to support Voice-Assist which necessitates giving it an A5.
If it's too early for 32nm at Samsung or 28nm at TSMC, does TSMC's 40nm process given any noticeable advantage over Samsung's 45nm process in power or performance? The early Apple/TSMC partnership rumours were about the 40nm process. In terms of a dual source play, I wonder if it makes sense for Apple to first produce new designs on Samsung's processes (45nm/32nm/etc) for the iPad and then follow a few months later with a partial shrink and perhaps minor design tweaks on TSMC's processes (40nm/28nm/etc) for iPhone and iPod Touch.
Personally I'm doubtful Apple will have 2 new models. With what we pretty much know about the iPhone 4S with its redesigned antennae for world-mode, Apple A5, and 8MP camera, that doesn't sound like something Apple will be selling for $99. And if the low-end model has all those features, what's left to differentiate the high-end iPhone 5 other just a new chassis design?
On the other hand, that Apple is only giving a minor refresh to the 5th gen iPod Touch probably staying with the Apple A4, could be a sign that Apple is reallocating the Touch's A5 SoC supply to the support two Apple A5 phone models. And if Voice Assist is tied to the Apple A5 as rumoured and Apple really wants to push adoption of this feature, then they may want even the low-end model to support Voice-Assist which necessitates giving it an A5.
If it's too early for 32nm at Samsung or 28nm at TSMC, does TSMC's 40nm process given any noticeable advantage over Samsung's 45nm process in power or performance? The early Apple/TSMC partnership rumours were about the 40nm process. In terms of a dual source play, I wonder if it makes sense for Apple to first produce new designs on Samsung's processes (45nm/32nm/etc) for the iPad and then follow a few months later with a partial shrink and perhaps minor design tweaks on TSMC's processes (40nm/28nm/etc) for iPhone and iPod Touch.
Hard to say, but unlike what you're saying, the only mildly reliable rumour is that the iPhone 4S is basically identical to the iPhone 4 but with a cheaper chassis (plastic?) and maybe a slightly faster A4 processor (and/or minor cost reductions like using Infineon's UE2 3G RF instead of UE1). It would just be a cost-down for the low-end instead of reusing the exact same model as previously like they did on the 3GS. The real refresh would still be the iPhone 5. We'll see if that turns out to be true.
I don't personally own a car but it sounds like an incredibly cool feature for hands free. High-end Bluetooth headsets have added a few nifty voice-based features in the last several years, but that will always pale in comparison to what the OS developer can do.
I do use sometimes (i.e. fairly rarely) listen to music outside with a stereo Bluetooth headset - I wonder if they could do voice recognition on album or song names? At the very least being able to skip a song or shuffle simply by talking to my Bluetooth stereo headset would be nifty (if slightly embarrassing with people nearby). So anyhow, I think the big question is Bluetooth integration and I'll be curious to see how well they handle it.
Ah yes, forgot about about that, thanks! That should tell you how rarely I use my bluetooth headset, heh
I still think being able to do voice recognition on album/song names would be pretty nifty (if nearly impossible in extreme cases).Ah yes, forgot about about that, thanks! That should tell you how rarely I use my bluetooth headset, heh
As I said, Apple added that a year ago. I pick albums and artists by voice while I'm driving on almost every trip.
I'll shut up now, so much for replying wayyy too quickly on, ironically, an iPhone. I suppose the benefits of the new features would mostly be for hands free driving then.My prediction is iPhone 4S will be same as iPhone 4 but with 8GB.
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So no announcement of the A5 in the iPod Touch. Not even a 128GB model. Only a $30 price drop on the 8GB model and new white models. I guess they don't see much of a threat to their #1 portable gaming device spot from the 3DS or Vita.
The iPhone 4S does receive the complete A5, dual core CPU, dual core GPU. However, Apple is only claiming a 7x graphics speedup compared to 9x for the iPad 2 compared to their respective predecessors. Does that mean the SGX543MP2 in the iPhone 4S is downclocked more relative to the iPad 2 than the SGX535 in the iPhone 4 was relative to the iPad? The CPU on the other hand still claims the 2x speedup on both iPhone 4S and iPad 2. They have Epic claiming to be doing some graphics in Infinity Blade 2 even current consoles can't do which I'm sure will create a lot of discussion. Battery life looks the same despite the bigger SoC, only with 1 hr longer 3G talk and 1 hr shorter WiFi Internet probably due to their respective support chips than the A5. They seem to be putting a lot of focus on the camera too. Perhaps to forestall one of Nokia's advantages.
EDIT: Note I wrote these comments as the event was still in progress so things might be incomplete.
The iPhone 4S does receive the complete A5, dual core CPU, dual core GPU. However, Apple is only claiming a 7x graphics speedup compared to 9x for the iPad 2 compared to their respective predecessors. Does that mean the SGX543MP2 in the iPhone 4S is downclocked more relative to the iPad 2 than the SGX535 in the iPhone 4 was relative to the iPad? The CPU on the other hand still claims the 2x speedup on both iPhone 4S and iPad 2. They have Epic claiming to be doing some graphics in Infinity Blade 2 even current consoles can't do which I'm sure will create a lot of discussion. Battery life looks the same despite the bigger SoC, only with 1 hr longer 3G talk and 1 hr shorter WiFi Internet probably due to their respective support chips than the A5. They seem to be putting a lot of focus on the camera too. Perhaps to forestall one of Nokia's advantages.
EDIT: Note I wrote these comments as the event was still in progress so things might be incomplete.
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