Next-Gen iPhone & iPhone Nano Speculation

[UniversalTruth]

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/128...uxury-phone-charges-itself-through-the-screen

The display is a 2.4-inch TFT LCD 320x240 and there is a second monochrome OLED panel at the front for viewing additional information.

I once bought this relatively large solar panel (roughly the size of an iPad mini) to 'charge stuff when camping etc.' It works great for an e-paper Kindle, but that already has a 2 week battery life. And I never go camping for that long. For anything else, it's useless.

Here, I don't understand what exactly you meant.

 

[silent_guy]

Ok, the 320x200 screen is color. Woohoo!

Forget the part about the kindle and camping. It is not a very common use case.

 

[UniversalTruth]

There is absolutely no problem to implement the improving solar technology in ("smart") watches (can you imagine a SHIT watch which you would need to plug in every day ) and in lower-end mobile phones.

 

[silent_guy]

There is absolutely no problem to implement the improving solar technology in ("smart") watches (can you imagine a SHIT watch which you would need to plug in every day ) and in lower-end mobile phones.

You can implement improving solar technology on anything, even on a toaster if you'd like.

That doesn't mean it's useful.

Your Casio watch has a handful of transistors on an ultra low power, ultra slow speed process. I'd be pleasantly surprised if its clock speed is part of the MHz club.

If Apple is going to create a watch, you'd at least expect it to be in constant contact with your phone over Bluetooth. That means a pretty beefy (by Casio standards) processor. And a fancy screen etc.

For the small size that it will have, I just question how much it charge it could really add.

My guess is: not much. I'd love to be proven wrong.

 

[UniversalTruth]

I don't know how much toxic material is dumped into natural environments in solar panels production processes, compared to the obviously toxic manufacturing and post processes of all kinds of lithium ion batteries and alike.

Perhaps you are right, and it is not 100% useful but at least it could be somehow helpful.

 

[wco81]

3900 Euros. What kind of specs?

No matter, sounds like Vertu, more of a luxury accessory than a useful smart phone.

 

[Grall]

3900 EUROS, for a PHONE? What the eff. Are you sure? Anyone paying that much for a piece of commonplace electronics, no matter how much of a luxury item it may be and no matter how rich the buyer, is officially a complete and utter idiot and moron.

3900 euros for say, an iphone case - waste of cash for sure in a world where people starve to death every day and beat each other to death over a pair of old worn shoes, but at least marginally understandable in the sphere of deliberate ignorance and rampant selfishness where the ludicrously mega-rich live. Paying that much for a crappy cellphone which will be outdated next year, if not right now in fact, is just the height of idiocy.

 

[tangey]

A) Doesn't the unique selling point of this €3900 watch get defeated by, ummm, a shirt sleeve ?

B) What has a TAG watch got to do with "Next-Gen iPhone & iPhone Nano Speculation"

 

[UniversalTruth]

What has a TAG watch got to do with "Next-Gen iPhone & iPhone Nano Speculation"

It is not a watch but a mobile phone, this is in the first place and because you didn't understand, a speculation for solar powered iPhone based on existing technology and potential to be implemented by Apple only if they wish.

 

[Entropy]

It is not a watch but a mobile phone, this is in the first place and because you didn't understand, a speculation for solar powered iPhone based on existing technology and potential to be implemented by Apple only if they wish.

Direct charging of the phone isn't possible with todays smartphone power draws and usage patterns (ie, typically stuffed into pockets or purses as opposed to lying around in sunshine).
For those who desire solar charging, a number of panel-to-battery solutions exist, and then the user can fast-charge battery to battery, where "fast" is in contrast to what it would take if the phone had to trickle charge from the solar panel directly.

The concept generally doesn't work for phones. Too much has to change in order for it to be functional. Even for watches the arrangement is a bit iffy, with mechanical movement to capacitor solutions arguably working better in practise.

 

[tangey]

It is not a watch but a mobile phone, this is in the first place and because you didn't understand, a speculation for solar powered iPhone based on existing technology and potential to be implemented by Apple only if they wish.

Didn't read the article, saw Tag Heuer and 2.4 inch screen.

It appears they think there are 1911 punters out there who are prepared to buy a €3900 phone with a 2.4 inch screen.

Amazing.

 

[UniversalTruth]

Didn't read the article, saw Tag Heuer and 2.4 inch screen.

It appears they think there are 1911 punters out there who are prepared to buy a €3900 phone with a 2.4 inch screen.

Amazing.

It is made from grade 5 Titanium and carbon and is the first ever 'self-charging' smartphone. I think it is more than worth it. When will you see iPhone built with so premium materials?

 

[Turbotab]

It is made from grade 5 Titanium and carbon and is the first ever 'self-charging' smartphone. I think it is more than worth it. When will you see iPhone built with so premium materials?

Designing an item to last decades, which even if it were cutting edge technologically, would be obsolete in a few years, seems to be an exercise in futility or research into the power of wealth / stupidity.

Back on topic. Today's announcement by Qualcomm that its flagship SoC up to 1H 2015 will be 20nm, not 16nm FinFET and its Snapdragon 410 (ARM A53) due by Q4 2014 will be a 28 not 20nm part, does this make anyone believe that the iPhone 6 will be fabbed on a 28nm process, as the IP6 will require huge wafer volumes, and at the very least TSMC isn't ahead of schedule.

 

[Helmore]

Qualcomm's first 20 nm chip will be the MDM9x35 baseband, which should be sampling right about now with availability expected around Q3 or Q4 of this year.

 

[Lazy8s]

I've been giving at least even odds to a 28 nm process, at either TSMC or Samsung, versus the oft-speculated TSMC 20 nm process.

I figure it all depends upon how long Apple is willing to wait to launch new product this year.

 

[Helmore]

Aren't rumors pointing to a release date that similar to last year for certain iPhone models and a bit later for the larger(/largest) model? If so, anything on 20 nm seems pretty unlikely, unless Samsung is quicker to 20/22 nm than TSMC.

 

[convergedw]

I've been giving at least even odds to a 28 nm process, at either TSMC or Samsung, versus the oft-speculated TSMC 20 nm process.

I figure it all depends upon how long Apple is willing to wait to launch new product this year.

TSMC is predicting that 20nm will ramp faster this year than 28nm did in 2012. I believe they are predicting something like 20% of their revenue from 20nm during the 4th quarter.

Absent a 20nm SoC from Qualcomm, that kind of revenue almost has to be coming from Apple.

 

[Entropy]

TSMC is predicting that 20nm will ramp faster this year than 28nm did in 2012. I believe they are predicting something like 20% of their revenue from 20nm during the 4th quarter.

Absent a 20nm SoC from Qualcomm, that kind of revenue almost has to be coming from Apple.

Exactly.
We know that TSMC has started (unnamed) SoC volume production. I can't see other than Apple being implied. In contrast to other companies, Apple do not preannounce their SoCs. Also, by the time they are introduced, they have been produced, packaged, tested, mounted on PCBs, and put into devices that have been manufactured in the millions before being announced. The lead time is substantial.

 

[Arun]

When does TSMC account for the revenue though? Is it when wafer production starts or is it when it ends? There's quite a delay between the two nowadays...

 

[Entropy]

From the 16th of January, 2014:

“We have two fabs, fab 12 and fab 14 that complete the core of the 20nm-SoC. As a matter of fact, we have started production. We are in the [high]-volume [20nm] production as we speak right now,” said C. C. Wei, co-chief executive officer and co-president of TSMC, during a conference call with investors and financial analysts.

At the time, and up until Qualcomm announcement now, no one had announced any SoCs on 20nm.
So either
a, TSMC have been producing a SoC for someone who does not pre announce their products, or
b, Wei doesn't know what he is talking about.

I'll go with option a.