New Sony HDTVs

[nutball]

Yeah that's what I was alluding to, a dedicated scaler for scaling HD content.

 

[Malo]

I guess that would make sense, since the Pro is only available on the 1080 versions. So the SD-HD supplies a better looking SD (like 480p DVD) to 720p upscaling than a comparative LCD panel would? And same for the HD-HD, 720 to 1080 scaling. Might have to check around for any possible reviews on that tech, i'm gradually investigating what I want to get for a HDTV and would like to know all the techs available.

edit: I guess reviews might be hard to find since they are forthcoming releases

 

[London Geezer]

I guess that would make sense, since the Pro is only available on the 1080 versions. So the SD-HD supplies a better looking SD (like 480p DVD) to 720p upscaling than a comparative LCD panel would? And same for the HD-HD, 720 to 1080 scaling. Might have to check around for any possible reviews on that tech, i'm gradually investigating what I want to get for a HDTV and would like to know all the techs available.

edit: I guess reviews might be hard to find since they are forthcoming releases

The W-series is out now and we should get some reviews very soon

 

[pascal]

LB

The X-series looks is terrific, but "only" 1300:1 contrast (the same of the v-series).
And did you tested the 1080 resolution? Any perceptible difference from 720p at normal viewing distance?

Still waiting my LED-Backlight :smile2:

 

[London Geezer]

LB

The X-series looks is terrific, but "only" 1300:1 contrast (the same of the v-series).
And did you tested the 1080 resolution? Any perceptible difference from 720p at normal viewing distance?

Still waiting my LED-Backlight :smile2:

Yes well basically the contrast ratio is the same as the V series because the technology is practically the same: same panel and same backlight tech. It just uses a higher res panel.
Wrt resolution, yes you can see a difference between some material, namely 1080i or 1080p material, over 720p material, and it can be quite striking or can be next to negligeable depending on the material. And it all depends on the viewing distance and the size of the panel of course.

HDDVD/Bluray movies and 1080p games will surely show a difference over 720p material, at the right viewing distance.

One thing to note is that from reports, the 1800:1 contrast ratio quoted for the W-series seems to be a typo or just false advertrising as the W-Series seems to have the same contrast and black levels as the X-series, and sometimes a bit worse, which makes sense as it is much, much cheaper.

 

[pascal]

How can I translate this PDF file? http://www.mediatotaal.nl/downloads/mt78-2006/lcd-tv_test.pdf

Isnt the Samsung 40M91 a LED backlight LCD?

 

[London Geezer]

How can I translate this PDF file? http://www.mediatotaal.nl/downloads/mt78-2006/lcd-tv_test.pdf

Isnt the Samsung 40M91 a LED backlight LCD?

Yep but as i said, don't think this is the same tech as those so-called HDR displays. In the end, the blacks are still "LCD blacks", as the LED are always on therefore light will come through, stopping the set from having proper blacks, like always, and the contrast ratio is still typical "LCD contrast", inflated by Samsung Dynamic Contrast ridiculous figures - you will tend to leave it off as it degrades detail in light and dark areas...

 

[Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.]

So they've only got two HDMI ports on their highest model, and all the others only have one? That's not very forward thinking. You can fill two right now with an upscaling DVD player and a HD cable box.

 

[London Geezer]

So they've only got two HDMI ports on their highest model, and all the others only have one? That's not very forward thinking. You can fill two right now with an upscaling DVD player and a HD cable box.

The Sony ones you mean? Nope, all models are being updated to 2 HDMI, from the S-series to the X-series..

Only now the rest of the world is starting to put 3 HDMI (toshiba) so Sony are still behind

 

[pascal]

LB

I need this HDTV!
(shameless copy of avforum link)
http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tvavsgn5yn8ry3.jpg

I will send you the money and you send it to me.

I need something like that for PC monitor/HDTV.

 

[London Geezer]

LB

I need this HDTV!
(shameless copy of avforum link)
http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tvavsgn5yn8ry3.jpg

I will send you the money and you send it to me.

I need something like that for PC monitor/HDTV.

Lol yeah send me the money, i'll definitely send you one!

The X2000 is one sexy beast, and connecting a PC at 1920*1080 is just heaven. And compared to even 2 months ago, it's cheap. Well, not cheap, but the price must have gone down of at least £1000 in 2 months!
And now that the W-series is out (40" 1080p Bravia at £1500!), we are in for a big price war with the Sharp 1080p panels and everyone else coming in in the near future

 

[hey69]

i just saw the W2000 model full hd 40inch over here in belgium (MAKRO or METRO depending the country) "only" 2999euro 20% tax inluded

 

[London Geezer]

i just saw the W2000 model full hd 40inch over here in belgium (MAKRO or METRO depending the country) "only" 2999euro 20% tax inluded

Yeah the W2000 is priced VERY competitively to go up against the new Sharp XD1E, which by the way are late.

You'll find it much cheaper online.

 

[hey69]

its crazy how fast everything goes. i hope by next november christmass, we will see very very atractive prices with end of year sales .
5years from now lots of people will finaly see that 720p was just a stop gap to full HD.

 

[pascal]

its crazy how fast everything goes. i hope by next november christmass, we will see very very atractive prices with end of year sales .
5years from now lots of people will finaly see that 720p was just a stop gap to full HD.

Maybe not if HD movies stay below 10Mbps bitrate.

Probably only people with a HTPC will eventually see difference in some content.

And for the $2999 euros you can buy a 40 inch s-series here

 

[DmitryKo]

don't think this is the same tech as those so-called HDR displays. In the end, the blacks are still "LCD blacks", as the LED are always on therefore light will come through

Product pages for the LE40M91B do imply that there's dynamic area-based backlight similar to the approach used in the BrightSide HDR display:

http://av.samsung.de/article.asp?artid=49BF0CDB-0AB3-4FD0-85E8-911743E9EA78

 

[pascal]

Yesterday I visited a major local store in Mall.
Sony had a demo boot with all kinds of HDTVs (3LCDs and LCDs old and new) all connected with videocomponent cables and at high definition to a single source using a black box ! ? The video presented stressed diverses situations.

The new s-series was looking great compared to the other TVs with some deep blacks (the others looked grey) and vibrant colours. The sony employee (responsible for the demo) explained that part of it was the Bravia Engine in action, not only the higher contrast rate. He gave me a small book with details of all Bravia line of audio and video for 2006/2007 in Brazil. And one vendor said that they could do a special test with my own DVD under my own setup. Offered discounts, divide it in 10 installments without interrests and a zero fault pixel tolerance from the store for 48 hours. Impressed... They really want my money

 

[London Geezer]

Product pages for the LE40M91B do imply that there's dynamic area-based backlight similar to the approach used in the BrightSide HDR display:

http://av.samsung.de/article.asp?artid=49BF0CDB-0AB3-4FD0-85E8-911743E9EA78

It would be nice to have real reviews. If that's true, then i'm sold. But personally i put less weight into Samsung's PR than i put into most other companies' PR, and that's saying a lot...

I'll wait till people actually have the TVs and tell me that the blacks really are black and not LCD blacks. That 10,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio for example is in the same ballpark as their other LCD screens, which doesn't make sense if the technology was really the same as the Brightside guys: it should be much much higher than past Samsung LCDs which, whatever the inflated dynamic contrast ratio figures say, have terrible contrast compared (or loss of detail in dark areas) to the Bravia's or even Philips TVs for example.
Hence, i'm taking Samsung PR with a ton of salt.

We'll see.

 

[pascal]

Wife liked the XBR3. Maybe I will try to import it with PS3

Probably a good reason to buy a Full HD is not 1080i/p content but reduce the noise even with 720p.

 

[DmitryKo]

It would be nice to have real reviews. If that's true, then i'm sold.

I'll wait till people actually have the TVs and tell me that the blacks really are black and not LCD blacks. That 10,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio for example is in the same ballpark as their other LCD screens, which doesn't make sense if the technology was really the same as the Brightside guys: it should be much much higher than past Samsung LCDs

The LE40M91B can't be in the same ballpark with Brightside display - from what I've read, the latter is using very dense LED configuration, probably thousands of diodes, hence incredible brightneass figures and much higher contrast ratio.

But I'm assuming that this local dimming in the M91B is a given, simply because it would rather be silly not to use it when it's one of the assumed benefits coming with LED backlight units and it's been talked about for the last 5 years.

That said, 10:000 dynamic contrast is impressive, if not by sheer number then simply because it presumably varies across different areas of the screen, not by dimming or brightening up the entire picture as happens with CCFL backlights. Of course I'd like to see some VESA figures (Brightside for example is citing 1:25 000).


Another interesting possibility provided by LEDs is blinking backlight which it helps reduce motion blur that arises because of non-zero pixel response times. In short, the backlight goes on at the end of pixel change cycle (or at the monitor refresh rate), which is similar to how CRT pixels operate...


http://www.ledexpo.com/LEDBLU_samsung-HunJooHahm.PDF

Emerging advantages of LED light source

Impulsive Driving
• Motion Blur Reduction

Local dimming
• High Contrast Ratio
• Low Power Consumption

Color Filter-less LCD
• High Transmittance & Low Cost LCD !
• Red Image -> Green Image -> Blue Image Sequential Driving!

http://www.lgphilips-lcd.com/homeContain/jsp/eng/inv…c=E&kinds=IN1

... LG.Philips LCD will highlight the following prototypes for new technologies during FPD International 2006 ...
- 32-inch LCD panel for full HDTVs incorporating LED Backlight Unit (BLU) with local dimming function for enhanced picture quality and contrast ratio

http://www.hallym.ac.kr/~jhko/blu.files/BLU_JKOS_20050714.pdf