New Heavenly Sword Info (screens included)

[Nesh]

The game looks so brilliant in big size images there is no need to achieve anything with small sized images.

So that alone makes me wonder why some people start making a fuss out of the fact that some small size images appeared.

They are just are small images and thats it.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Generally speaking, its common knowledge that developers\PR department either downsamples or add's AA to screenshots in order to get higher IQ.

Sure, but that's not why these pics were downsized, and that's not why pics are downsized. Tarted-up images are orignal game resolution (720p) with insane amounts of AA. These get shrunk to fit a website's layout, on the whole. They are not downsized to make them look better -that's not the purpose of downsampling. The companies releasing the pics aren't downsampling them to make them look better. They've no need. They can render the images with super-duper AA at 720p.

Nebula's comment was 'the pictures were shrunk in order to make them look better' which is a falacy all those 'jumping' on Nebula are correcting him on. That fact that companies tart up promotional images wasn't the basis of his comment, and has no relevance to his comment. There's a good chance the pics that were downsized were rendered at 16x supersampling in the first place, with no need for downsampling to make them look better!

 

[Neb]

Nebula's comment was 'the pictures were shrunk in order to make them look better' which is a falacy all those 'jumping' on Nebula are correcting him on. That fact that companies tart up promotional images wasn't the basis of his comment, and has no relevance to his comment.

If you read the rest, to my final post and take into account that the user who posted the ss didn't provide a link to the site hosting the pictures. Therefore I could not now that the site was made for users that use 800x600 as their desktop resolution.
Second practically the same images are available in 1280x720 so why post "poststamp size" ss, you dont mean that most here use 800x600 as their default desktop res?
I see youre a senior member, you should know that to understand a conversation you have to read from start to end, reread it from the beginning to my last post.

There's a good chance the pics that were downsized were rendered at 16x supersampling in the first place, with no need for downsampling to make them look better

Speculations and if they had 16xAA from the start then they are BS shots either in default res or downsized!

 

[Nesh]

Generally speaking on B3D, this fact is usually only accepted in X360 games threads, weras if you comment on bullshot AA in a hyped PS3 game, you get flamed.

No it is not accepted as a fact on 360 either and the PS3 titles are just as attacked if not more for supposedly being "overhyped" or "bullshots". Actually I cant remember a single high profile PS3 game that wasn't attacked either for being unimpressive, bullshots or downgraded.

And no. People get just as flamed in 360 threads as well.

 

[Mmmkay]

Eh, thread seems to be going down a bizarre path here... It's worth mentioning that there haven't been any supersampled Heavenly Sword screenshots so far, everything has been a 720p native framebuffer capture.

 

[deepbrown]

Second practically the same images are available in 1280x720 so why post

WHere where? I've been looking all over for these screenshots!

And osteopop. We weren't talking about bullshots at all...and I don't see the difference in approach in either 360 or PS3...the approach is always the same; why do people have to turn this into a war over consoles...very strange. Nebs comments just sounded absurd on any interpretation to me.

 

[Neb]

WHere where? I've been looking all over for these screenshots!

And osteopop. We weren't talking about bullshots at all...and I don't see the difference in approach in either 360 or PS3...the approach is always the same; why do people have to turn this into a war over consoles...very strange. Nebs comments just sounded absurd on any interpretation to me.

Can't remember the sites as I visit so many sites with ss and I dont have any particular I visit frequently except IGN. But the same scenes are also visible in some of the videos and you can find them on gametrailers although which one I can't point out unless I download em all and check! :smile:

I'll take a swing around the net to find very similar (practically same camera position and view)!

 

[deepbrown]

Can't remember the sites as I visit so many sites with ss and I dont have any particular I visit frequently except IGN. But the same scenes are also visible in some of the videos and you can find them on gametrailers although which one I can't point out unless I download em all and check! :smile:

I'll take a swing around the net to find very similar (practically same camera position and view)!

They are shown because they are new....and I want to see these ones bigger! FOr the great wall textures, and the amazing waterfalls. And in my eyes the fab lighting.

 

[Neb]

They are shown because they are new....and I want to see these ones bigger! FOr the great wall textures, and the amazing waterfalls. And in my eyes the fab lighting.

They are the only site hosting this screenshots, a site from India?

The same scenes and pretty much same views are visible in several videos from gametrailers!

 

[deepbrown]

They are the only site hosting this screenshots, a site from India?

The same scenes and pretty much same views are visible in several videos from gametrailers!

This is the only site hosting these images....and they are not self made screenshots from this website. These are direct feed, from Ninja Theory by the looks of it.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

If you read the rest, to my final post and take into account that the user who posted the ss didn't provide a link to the site hosting the pictures. Therefore I could not now that the site was made for users that use 800x600 as their desktop resolution.

It doesn't matter. No-one releases thumbnail pics just to make the games look better!

I see youre a senior member, you should know that to understand a conversation you have to read from start to end, reread it from the beginning to my last post.

Your subsequent posts about downsampling improving IQ I have no beef with. That's why I didn't respond to thoise comments, only this one...

They use small screenshots becouse they make the graphics look much better than if they where 800x600 res or their true size 1280x720 which means much better looking graphics than it has in reality on your monitor/TV.

You made an assertion which is incorrect, so I pointed out it was, explained why it was, and continue to say it's wrong as long as people are trying to defend it! Now if you want to rephrase your original comment to something like 'these small pictures aren't very good for telling final quality because they improve IQ through supersampling,' that would fit in with your later comments. But if you still want say that the whole reason for shrinking the images was in order to make the graphics look much better, that the thinkings the guy had when shrinking them was 'I know, I'll shrink these pictures because that'll make the graphics look better' then I'll still disagree! Websites don't shrink images to make them look better, and game developers don't need to shrink images to make them look better as they can render the images with better-than-game image quality.

 

[-tkf-]

I like how everybody jumped nebula here.

Generally speaking, its common knowledge that developers\PR department either downsamples or add's AA to screenshots in order to get higher IQ.

Generally speaking on B3D, this fact is usually only accepted in X360 games threads, weras if you comment on bullshot AA in a hyped PS3 game, you get flamed.

Way to throw a curve ball, Nebula posted that the reason small screens are used to make the game look better, yet in this very thread there have been PLENTY of highres shots (that was examined to the last pixel) and HiDef video as well.

The "bullshot" was even commented by the developers on what was "done to it", not something we see from every developer (no name mentioned).

They use small screenshots becouse they make the graphics look much better than if they where 800x600 res or their true size 1280x720 which means much better looking graphics than it has in reality on your monitor/TV. Also image sharpening is used frequently to make it look like textures are more high-res and simulate AF.

That should earn him some bad rep considering the thread and context he posted this in.

 

[Mmmkay]

I'm sorry but you're really reaching now, Nebula.

These images were posted because they are new, and they were posted at that resolution because they are the largest versions that exist on the internet that we know of. They're 'screenshots' not only because the batch techtree published include several already released screenshot images, but also because they have no precedence for including video captures in their articles. Moreover, since you are trying to firefight your way out of this debate, it might be worth evidencing these screenshots from video footage first, rather than baselessly throwing the claim around.

 

[Neb]

I'm sorry but you're really reaching now, Nebula.

These images were posted because they are new, and they were posted at that resolution because they are the largest versions that exist on the internet that we know of. They're 'screenshots' not only because the batch techtree published include several already released screenshot images, but also because they have no precedence for including video captures in their articles. Moreover, since you are trying to firefight your way out of this debate, it might be worth evidencing these screenshots from video footage first, rather than baselessly throwing the claim around.

Well I did post a ss from the same scene although the video was dark at the beginning. Obviously they are new, but first I thought I had seen them before (and so I did although in different angle and position but same scene).

That should earn him some bad rep considering the thread and context he posted this in.

You have to read the whole discussion, In a post I said the following and that was before I knew that this site was the only ones hosting these ss and only in small format. Still small size ss are used a lot in other threads and about the same size as those in the previous page even though there are larger sized of the same. In a post a bit down in the same page I said that I could have rephrased it better and said that with they I meant either the ones hosting the ss, the user posting it or the devs.
After that I checked the site as the link was provided to me and saw why they where small and then it was pointed out that they are the only ones with these ss. Although I said I had seen about same ss but it was not same as in position or angle but same scene.
It seems you are jumping the gun and ignoring my other posts as Ostepop posted after I had said what I meant with they and before I knew it was the only site hosting these ss... rep abuse.

 

[Mmmkay]

Well I did post a ss from the same scene although the video was dark at the beginning. Obviously they are new, but first I thought I had seen them before (and so I did although in different angle and position but same scene).

That screenshot in particular you were comparing the video to is from the official batch of screenshots sent out at Gamer's Day:
http://images.playsyde.com/gallery/public/5442/644_0014.jpg

As I said, some of the images techtree published are from earlier batches, many of them however we haven't seen before. It should be fairly obvious that these images are from the same environment/level that has been shown off at Gamer's Day and in the GamePro article so naturally there's going to be some slight overlap with content that has been published so far. But these specific images have not been featured directly in any image or video media to date as far as I can tell.

 

[deepbrown]

Well I did post a ss from the same scene although the video was dark at the beginning. Obviously they are new, but first I thought I had seen them before (and so I did although in different angle and position but same scene).



You have to read the whole discussion, In a post I said the following and that was before I knew that this site was the only ones hosting these ss and only in small format. Still small size ss are used a lot in other threads and about the same size as those in the previous page even though there are larger sized of the same. In a post a bit down in the same page I said that I could have rephrased it better and said that with they I meant either the ones hosting the ss, the user posting it or the devs.
After that I checked the site as the link was provided to me and saw why they where small and then it was pointed out that they are the only ones with these ss. Although I said I had seen about same ss but it was not same as in position or angle but same scene.
It seems you are jumping the gun and ignoring my other posts as Ostepop posted after I had said what I meant with they and before I knew it was the only site hosting these ss... rep abuse.

Sorry Neb. I still think you sounded insane...even if I read previous posts

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Looks much better becouse flaws are not as visible unless one has eagle-vision. Things that is very hard or impossible to point out is jagged shadows, texture detail, AA amount, curves (geometry), sprites/vegation quality. So flaws are not as visible or not visible and thus makes it look better or much better than viewing it in a big screenshot wher it is visble and closer to how it will look on the TV/monitor when playing/viewing!

Yes, that's all true. BUT IT'S NOT WHY THE IMAGES ARE SMALL!!!!!! The images are small because the website scaled them to fit. There's no other reason to shrink them, the layout of your website, except maybe to conserve bandwidth with smaller images rather than rely on heavy JPEG'ing. It's certainly not true that the website shrunk them in order to make the game look better, as you've said!

Do you understand the distinction I'm making? I'm not arguing about the effects of shrinking images, but the reasons behind them. It's like saying joy-rider maniacs who drive recklessly and do 120 MPH down the motorway do it to kill people. That may be the unfortunate consequence of the actions, but it's not the reason for their actions. They don't think to themselves 'I'll nick myself a tasty motor and drive around until I crash a kill a few folk and maybe myself.' They think 'I want a funky adrenalin rush and stealing a car and racing it around will give me that.' The people that shrunk the image weren't thinking 'I'll shrink this image to make the game look better' but thought to themselves 'I need to shrink this image to fit it in our website column.'

 

[Neb]

Sorry Neb. I still think you sounded insane...even if I read previous posts

Well look at how I was attacked for pointing out my dislike with small ss and that no mather what system. In this case there where reasons for them to be small and as I had seen the same scene but different angle and position in some ss and in videos from gamers day I asssumed they where taken there, so it was not.
May not always express me clear as english is not my native language but I am shure I explained myself quite well even though some ignored lines in my posts.

 

[Neb]

Yes, that's all true. BUT IT'S NOT WHY THE IMAGES ARE SMALL!!!!!! The images are small because the website scaled them to fit. There's no other reason to shrink them, the layout of your website, except maybe to conserve bandwidth with smaller images rather than rely on heavy JPEG'ing. It's certainly not true that the website shrunk them in order to make the game look better, as you've said!

Do you understand the distinction I'm making? I'm not arguing about the effects of shrinking images, but the reasons behind them. It's like saying joy-rider maniacs who drive recklessly and do 120 MPH down the motorway do it to kill people. That may be the unfortunate consequence of the actions, but it's not the reason for their actions. They don't think to themselves 'I'll nick myself a tasty motor and drive around until I crash a kill a few folk and maybe myself.' They think 'I want a funky adrenalin rush and stealing a car and racing it around will give me that.' The people that shrunk the image weren't thinking 'I'll shrink this image to make the game look better' but thought to themselves 'I need to shrink this image to fit it in our website column.'

The images was shrunk becouse the site was made for people that has 800x600 browser res, I know. It seems I have been talking about my dislike for small ss and you about why they had small ss there. Sorry my bad but I would have been nice to see them have embedded link for each image for a high res shot for thoose with 1024x768+ desktop res!

And I was assuming that they where shrunk down (or choosen over higher res ones at other sites) to hide flaws UNTIL someone pointed out that they are the only one hosting these ss. You see I thought several sites had these shots and that they would have it at 720p res as when other ss have been released (I also thought I ahd seen them before). :smile:

Moreover, since you are trying to firefight your way out of this debate, it might be worth evidencing these screenshots from video footage first, rather than baselessly throwing the claim around.

Lol, no I am only reloading, to teach some how to read a whole conversation instead of part 1,4,8!

 

[deepbrown]

Yes, that's all true. BUT IT'S NOT WHY THE IMAGES ARE SMALL!!!!!! The images are small because the website scaled them to fit. There's no other reason to shrink them, the layout of your website, except maybe to conserve bandwidth with smaller images rather than rely on heavy JPEG'ing. It's certainly not true that the website shrunk them in order to make the game look better, as you've said!

Do you understand the distinction I'm making? I'm not arguing about the effects of shrinking images, but the reasons behind them. It's like saying joy-rider maniacs who drive recklessly and do 120 MPH down the motorway do it to kill people. That may be the unfortunate consequence of the actions, but it's not the reason for their actions. They don't think to themselves 'I'll nick myself a tasty motor and drive around until I crash a kill a few folk and maybe myself.' They think 'I want a funky adrenalin rush and stealing a car and racing it around will give me that.' The people that shrunk the image weren't thinking 'I'll shrink this image to make the game look better' but thought to themselves 'I need to shrink this image to fit it in our website column.'

Great way to express why I thought Nebs sounded insane! But enough....let's move on and wait for bigger screens, because even though these are small, they do look great...and I can imagine how good they'd look at full-res.