New [H] editorial...

[WaltC]

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That's certainly a possibility as well although I'd be surprised if Kyle ever thought he had that much influence over nVidia. Either way, nVidia left Kyle out to dry on this issue.

Heh... Believe me, this is not my invention...

There's a thread around here somewhere, and at present I'm too lazy to look it up, but it's a reprint of a frgmstr statement quoted verbatim from within his forums, in which he flatly states ..."nVidia listens to us..." [Quote, Unquote]

I felt sorry for him when I read that because I knew he actually believed it.

 

[Oblivious]

There's a thread around here somewhere, and at present I'm too lazy to look it up, but it's a reprint of a frgmstr statement quoted verbatim from within his forums, in which he flatly states ..."nVidia listens to us..." [Quote, Unquote]

I felt sorry for him when I read that because I knew he actually believed it.

I remember the thread you're referring to. Being friendly is one thing but thinking he'd be able to singlehandedly affect company policy is quite another. I think Kyle was simply stating there was an exchange of trust and respect in the relationship, not power or influence (at least not the levels you're insinuating). Of course, it's all a facade on nVidia's part but he didn't know that at the time.

 

[morini]

Cliched analogy I know, but Kyle writing that editorial must have felt a little like Neville Chamberlain did making his speech on September 1, 1939.

And the perspective of course is that we are only talking about videocards, not world changing events, bruised egos aside.

 

[WaltC]

I remember the thread you're referring to. Being friendly is one thing but thinking he'd be able to singlehandedly affect company policiy is quite another. I think Kyle was simply stating there was an exchange of trust and respect in the relationship, not power or influence (at least not the levels you're insinuating). Of course, it's all a facade on nVidia's part but he didn't know that at the time.

We aren't that far apart. I don't think frgmstr thought he was running the company--I just mean that he thought he was listened to enough to have some influence with them--that they valued his "insight" so to speak and would be inclined to heed it at certain times. I think this is what they wanted him to believe so that when they passed on certain "information" they wanted him to publish he would be more inclined to do so as he had an idea he was "a part of the process."

 

[WaltC]

And the perspective of course is that we are only talking about videocards, not world changing events, bruised egos aside.

Heh... Another analogy might be that one man's WMD is another man's 3d card...

 

[Oblivious]

We aren't that far apart. I don't think frgmstr thought he was running the company--I just mean that he thought he was listened to enough to have some influence with them--that they valued his "insight" so to speak and would be inclined to heed it at certain times. I think this is what they wanted him to believe so that when they passed on certain "information" they wanted him to publish he would be more inclined to do so as he had an idea he was "a part of the process."

You're quite right that we aren't that far apart but I feel the small difference in our interpretations of his comments are important ones. I certainly appreciate your opinion on the matter and it is a possibility, I just don't see it being very likely. I guess this is one of those times when I will have to respectfully disagree with your conclusion although I do understand where you're coming from.

 

[Joe DeFuria]

Well, I haven't read ALL the comments in this thread, and I only got to read the snippints from the article posted here. (I won't visit [h]).

Based on that, it appears the following happened:

1) nVidia didn't do what Kyle told his readers they would: deliver a driver with fixed trilinear in UT.
2) Kyle goes on nVidia rant.

No real conspiracy theories from me. It's just predictable Kyle Ego IMO...nothing more, nothing less. nVidia made Kyle look bad, so Kyle will try and make nVidia look bad.

Anyone not remember how Kyle treated Matrox after not sending him a Parhelia? Same ol'...same 'ol.

 

[McElvis]

Anyone not remember how Kyle treated Matrox after not sending him a Parhelia? Same ol'...same 'ol.

Ha, funny you should mention that...

article]As far as the actual hardware goes, the Radeon R3XX series still remains the most impressive VPU introduction in recent memory as it truly revolutionized the way we play games and continues to do so. On the other end of the scale we have the GeForceFX 5800 series that without a doubt turned into the biggest joke in our community since Matrox brought us the Parhelia

 

[Joe DeFuria]

Ha, funny you should mention that...

article]As far as the actual hardware goes, the Radeon R3XX series still remains the most impressive VPU introduction in recent memory as it truly revolutionized the way we play games and continues to do so. On the other end of the scale we have the GeForceFX 5800 series that without a doubt turned into the biggest joke in our community since Matrox brought us the Parhelia

Lol...

My issue with kyle is similar to my issues with Tom Pabst a few years ago. It's not that he's a fanboi of any particular vendor...he's too much of a fanboi of himself.

I also read that Kyle seems to be taking it pretty hard that nVidia re-joined the Futuremark beta program....again, the problem is not that nVidia is dissing Kyle...it's that Kyle actually believed that nVidia wouldn't do such a thing.

And while Kyle is well within his rights to blast nVidia for doing such things...he never turns inward to himself and asks why...why when everyone else who he's banned, mocked, chastized, etc for telling him this exactly was bound to happen....why he wouldn't listen?

 

[Dio]

Cliched analogy I know, but Kyle writing that editorial must have felt a little like Neville Chamberlain did making his speech on September 1, 1939.

Good to see that history isn't lost on some of us.

 

[5150 Joker]

Ok, first, nowhere did I say what Kyle will do from here on out....that's up to Kyle. Joker, you need to read exactly what I said.

Sorry I wasn't posting it as a rebuttal to anything you said but more of a rhetorical question.

There is no reason to carry a grudge here....

I don't hold a grudge but I refuse to trust him until he can at least learn to put aside his ego and actually listen to what others have to say--and perhaps learn not to be strung along so easy by an IHV (if that was even the case) next time. Maybe I'm asking too much?

 

[Slides]

-long diatribe-

What are you talking about? All these stories of Kyle being paid off by Nvidia in doing this ARE conspiracy stories, NOT fact until proven otherwise. If you have a valid point to make, please do it without twisting my words.

 

[Fred da Roza]

All the witty conspiracy stories aside that some on B3D love getting into, the editorial serves it's purpose by bringing forward the issue of Nvidia and cheating to a mainstream hardware site. Better late then never. For that I say bravo to Kyle.

But do please continue the Kyle is on Nvidia's payroll conspiracy theories. They are entertaining.

I have to admit Kyle’s article is quite the editorial, succinct, uncompromising and without any delay so soon after the release of the promised drivers.

Timing is important. If this editorial was published 3 to 4 months ago it probably would have stigmatized the NV3x product line. At this late stage of its life cycle, it probably will have very little impact on nVidia bottom line, especially considering the impending release of NV40. I truly hope this editorial reflects the opinion of the author. If so I won’t have to wonder what information [H] is withholding every time I read a [H] nVidia product review. I’ll hold my accolades for Kyle until the next round.

 

[digitalwanderer]

Wouldn't it be funny if nVidia re-enabled trilinear on the drivers before they released 'em tomorrow just to spite Kyle....

 

[Slides]

True, this is not the end all be all of this story. From past experience, I know that Kyle can be very stubborn and this not the first time he has gone on a banning spree either. Some may recall the the P4 HT benchmark fiasco, where once again stubbornness won over common sense. Don't see this as that much different really.

Everyone has some bias, but when that bias gets in the way of truth, that's when the problem arises, as was in this case. So no, I don't think Kyle is conspiring with Nvidia, just that he can be too narrow minded on certain issues.

 

[Windfire]

The Editorial was refreshing to be honest.

However, I think what HardOCP really needs is some apologizing themselves. What a perfect opportunity to say that HardOCP unfortunately let their eagerness to cuddle up with Nvidia influence and taint their accuracy as well. They started down the slippery slope and soon found themselves sliding far further than they expected.

I would then like to have Kyle outline the goals and procedures that will be implemented to try to prevent this kind of incident from happening again.

Why should I suddenly look at HardOCP any differently? I have seen no evidence that a true change is going to take place. I see no outlines on what they plan to do differently. All I see is mud on HardOCP’s face and a finger pointing at Nvidia (with 4 other pointing back at themselves).

 

[micron]

I would then like to have Kyle outline the goals and procedures that will be implemented to try to prevent this kind of incident from happening again.

Your joking right?.......just how serious do you take this stuff...?

Why should I suddenly look at HardOCP any differently? I have seen no evidence that a true change is going to take place. I see no outlines on what they plan to do differently. All I see is mud on HardOCP’s face and a finger pointing at Nvidia (with 4 other pointing back at themselves).

You speak as though [H] is your girlfriend, and she has been caught cheating....outline goals and procedures?....lol, this is getting too funny. [H] isnt going to do anything like that for you, if they've traumatized you as much as you make it sound, just tell 'em to fuck off, and be done with them. I think I've grown numb to the whole matter.....

 

[micron]

Wouldn't it be funny if nVidia re-enabled trilinear on the drivers before they released 'em tomorrow just to spite Kyle....

Oh that would just make you orgasmic wouldnt it

 

[digitalwanderer]

Wouldn't it be funny if nVidia re-enabled trilinear on the drivers before they released 'em tomorrow just to spite Kyle....

Oh that would just make you orgasmic wouldnt it

We may just get lucky and find out...

 

[micron]

Ewww........ I cant waite