New GTA 4 screens

[woundingchaney]

Of course we may see a director's cut on the Ps3 considering it has 25GB discs. With all the games coming in the Fall I doubt I will buy GTA4 on day one and no way I'm DLing episodes on any platform which have zero resale value.

Next to no possible chance given the agreement between MS and T2 as well as previous confirmation that both games are to be identicle in content upon initial release.

 

[Todd33]

Next to no possible chance given the agreement between MS and T2 as well as previous confirmation that both games are to be identicle in content upon initial release.

Director's cut implies a re-release, I was thinking 2008.

 

[scooby_dooby]

Of course we may see a director's cut on the Ps3 considering it has 25GB discs. With all the games coming in the Fall I doubt I will buy GTA4 on day one and no way I'm DLing episodes on any platform which have zero resale value.

That's a little strange. How much resale/tradein value do you think you'd get for a $20 expansion pack anyways?

$5?

 

[Todd33]

That's a little strange. How much resale/tradein value do you think you'd get for a $20 expansion pack anyways?

$5?

Who cares? What if I want to give it away? It's easy to mail a disc, I can't trade or gift anything tied to my Live account.

 

[scooby_dooby]

Who cares? What if I want to give it away? It's easy to mail a disc, I can't trade or gift anything tied to my Live account.

Who cares? $20 for 10 or 15 hours of gameplay is well worth it anyways.

It just seems a wierd reason for not buying a game: "Well, when I'm finished playing it, it will be useless, so I'm not buying it"

When you're finished playing it, you're finished. You've already gotten your enjoyment, so who cares if you can't give it away? I mean, do you buy games to play them, or to give them away as gifts?

 

[Todd33]

Who cares? $20 for 10 or 15 hours of gameplay is well worth it anyways.

It just seems a wierd reason for not buying a game: "Well, when I'm finished playing it, it will be useless, so I'm not buying it"

When you're finished playing it, you're finished. You've already gotten your enjoyment, so who cares if you can't give it away? I mean, do you buy games to play them, or to give them away as gifts?

I guess as a consumer I like the choice. I got $25 for my copy of Oblivion from EB which went toward another game. I also like the option of giving my old games to my Nephew. What good is a game on my HD that I never want to play again? The same goes for music and movies, I want a disc, but with games it's even more important since they have a huge resale market.

The better question is why are you hostile toward choice, you just roll over when a company tries to milk you for cash?

 

[dobwal]

Director's cut implies a re-release, I was thinking 2008.

Given that the first episode is not due out till March 2008 and the second epi sometime at the end of T2's fiscal year 08, I'll doubt you will see a PS3 director's cut before late 2009 or early 2010 if at all.

 

[AntShaw]

I guess as a consumer I like the choice. I got $25 for my copy of Oblivion from EB which went toward another game. I also like the option of giving my old games to my Nephew. What good is a game on my HD that I never want to play again? The same goes for music and movies, I want a disc, but with games it's even more important since they have a huge resale market.

The better question is why are you hostile toward choice, you just roll over when a company tries to milk you for cash?

So who are you mad at here? Take-Two for releasing Downloadable content on only the 360? Or MS for advancing Take-Two money for releasing downloadable content on the 360? Or scooby for questioning your questionable comments?

As far as I can see, your argument stands no ground. You, just like everyone else that will be purchasing the full game (wheter it is on 360 or PS3) will be getting the same gaming experience. If you own a 360, YOU, have the CHOICE of paying extra $$ to get extra content in addition to the stand alone game. If you chose not to, well then you get to have the same experience as everyone else, who chose just to play the released full game on disk.

Everyone wins here.

PS3 owners get to have the opportunity of playing GTA IV
360 owners get to have the opportunity of playing GTA IV

I can't really see how having only downloadable episodic content on the 360 would take away from any experience you would have with playing/owning your version of the game on PS3.

 

[dobwal]

I guess as a consumer I like the choice. I got $25 for my copy of Oblivion from EB which went toward another game. I also like the option of giving my old games to my Nephew. What good is a game on my HD that I never want to play again? The same goes for music and movies, I want a disc, but with games it's even more important since they have a huge resale market.

The better question is why are you hostile toward choice, you just roll over when a company tries to milk you for cash?

So, you prioritize resale value and the ability to hand down a game over the game experience itself?

How is that milking? Explain how much more money MS or T2 gets from you from downloading episodic content versus buying a hardcopy of it?

 

[Todd33]

So who are you mad at here? Take-Two for releasing Downloadable content on only the 360? Or MS for advancing Take-Two money for releasing downloadable content on the 360? Or scooby for questioning your questionable comments?

WTF? I think my comments are clear as day with respect to owning a disc which has a resell value, you think they are "questionable" because I have a different opinion from you or Scooby? @#%

 

[Todd33]

So, you prioritize resale value and the ability to hand down a game over the game experience itself?

It has nothing to do with priorities, it's about choice.

How is that milking? Explain how much more money MS or T2 gets from you from downloading episodic content versus buying a hardcopy of it?

It's simple. I can't walk into EB and buy a used version of it and my buddy who bought it cannot lend it to me. I also cannot rent it (Gamefly unheard of around here?) Now I'm forced to buy it online with no ability to trade it later if I want to play it.

 

[infinity4]

if i understand what you are talking about, i would look at reviews overall score then decide whether to buy it or not, then if i was to buy it, i would make another account, download it, then sell the account for good price not sure whether this is possible though.

 

[woundingchaney]

It has nothing to do with priorities, it's about choice.



It's simple. I can't walk into EB and buy a used version of it and my buddy who bought it cannot lend it to me. I also cannot rent it (Gamefly unheard of around here?) Now I'm forced to buy it online with no ability to trade it later if I want to play it.

Then you have the "choice" not to buy it. Are you speaking in regards to dlc in general as this would be a concern covering all of dlc.


As far as that goes its rather likely a hard copy of the dlc could be available as well on the 360 (although at a later date).

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Explain how much more money MS or T2 gets from you from downloading episodic content versus buying a hardcopy of it?

That one's a clear answer. Buying a hard copy from a store loses Take 2 the printing costs and what the retail store takes. Selling as download for the same price means turning all those old costs into more profit. That is, on a $40, T2 might make $15 per disc sold, with $10 going to MS and $10 going to retail and $5 on printing and distribution. On the same game sold for $40 as a download, they'd make $30, pocketting the money saved from printing and selling to stores, bar whatever extra cut MS make.

A hard copy has some advantages over a soft copy, such as Todd33's much valued post-use worth. If you're not getting those benefits, the publishers are 'milking' the service to get more profit from it. Ordinarily download versions of software are cheaper. If T2 pass on savings to the consumer, it'll be a case of everyone benefitting. Except the retail chains and printing firms!

 

[Todd33]

Then you have the "choice" not to buy it. Are you speaking in regards to dlc in general as this would be a concern covering all of dlc.


As far as that goes its rather likely a hard copy of the dlc could be available as well on the 360 (although at a later date).

I have no issue with DLC, as in whole games like Geometry Wars, Calling All Cars, etc. They are discounted titles that would never show up on disc anyhow.

To me they are killing the free market, take HL2: EP1, it is on Steam for $20, but you could often finds it in the store, on disc for $10-$15. Why would I relish in losing that choice which ultimately saved me money?

 

[scooby_dooby]

I guess as a consumer I like the choice. I got $25 for my copy of Oblivion from EB which went toward another game. I also like the option of giving my old games to my Nephew. What good is a game on my HD that I never want to play again? The same goes for music and movies, I want a disc, but with games it's even more important since they have a huge resale market.

The better question is why are you hostile toward choice, you just roll over when a company tries to milk you for cash?

Wow...I was right with you until that last sentance, what's with the insults?

DLC does have some drawbacks, I agree, and choice is always nice, I was simply stating I thought that in this case, lack of a physical copy was not really an important factor considering it's most likely only a $15 or $20 purchase to begin with.

If giving away your old games is such a big priority to you, then by all means, miss out on the DLC, that's your call.

I'm certainly not going to let a relatively insignifigant factor like that prevent me from playing the episodic content, if it turns out to be good.

Personally, I prefer a hardcopy any day, but I also realize that a hard copy would probably be $5-$10 more expensive for me to buy, and that would make it a tough decision. I would probably go with Soft copy in this case, simply because the cost and resale value are both very low, I don't see much reason personally to spend extra money to get a disc.

 

[scooby_dooby]

To me they are killing the free market, take HL2: EP1, it is on Steam for $20, but you could often finds it in the store, on disc for $10-$15. Why would I relish in losing that choice which ultimately saved me money?

Charging more, for a softcopy, is a failed business model that will have to go the way of the Dodo bird if DLC is ever to truly take off.

DLC has obvious disadvantages, if the price is not less than the physical media, then there is little point in purchasing it. Lower price, along with a different level of convenience(I wouldn't necessarily say better), are the two major factors which make DLC attractive.

 

[Todd33]

Charging more, for a softcopy, is a failed business model that will have to go the way of the Dodo bird if DLC is ever to truly take off.

DLC has obvious disadvantages, if the price is not less than the physical media, then there is little point in purchasing it. Lower price, along with a different level of convenience(I wouldn't necessarily say better), are the two major factors which make DLC attractive.

It's not a failed model if you make it a monopoly like MS and R* are with the GTA4 content. There is zero competition from disc versions, so we are being milked and most of us are taking it with a smile, sad.

So yes, I will vote with my money. I will either play the original content only or buy a disc based director's cut much later.

 

[dobwal]

That one's a clear answer. Buying a hard copy from a store loses Take 2 the printing costs and what the retail store takes. Selling as download for the same price means turning all those old costs into more profit. That is, on a $40, T2 might make $15 per disc sold, with $10 going to MS and $10 going to retail and $5 on printing and distribution. On the same game sold for $40 as a download, they'd make $30, pocketting the money saved from printing and selling to stores, bar whatever extra cut MS make.

A hard copy has some advantages over a soft copy, such as Todd33's much valued post-use worth. If you're not getting those benefits, the publishers are 'milking' the service to get more profit from it. Ordinarily download versions of software are cheaper. If T2 pass on savings to the consumer, it'll be a case of everyone benefitting. Except the retail chains and printing firms!

Milking doesn't equal maximizing of profits. Its doesn't matter if 4 enitities are making a profits off providing you with a gaming experience or one enitity making all the profits.

However, $40 softcopy doesn't equal $40 hardcopy because of the reasons stated by you and Todd33 in previous posts.

Nevertheless, most of us would overlook the inability to purchase a hardcopy if the core experience is deemed worthy. Very few would pick a $60.00 crappy game with a $30.00 resale value over a great game that cost $60.00 with no resale value.

Benefits provided by a hardcopy are just the icing on the cake its the game experience that serves as the cake itself.

 

[scooby_dooby]

It has nothing to do with priorities, it's about choice.

Well, it does come back to priorities though. By choosing not to purchase the DLC, you are really saying that you think resale value and the ability to hand down a game are more important (higher priority) than the game experience itself.

I mean you won't get to play the content at all, so therefore you are prioritizing those others things over the game itself.

I doubt that's relaly the case, it sounds like you're probably arguing this more out of principal than anything, peeved that hardcopy's are not being offered.

I can feel you on that level, downloading the Shivering Isles expansion for Oblivion made me pull my hair out, and I was pretty pissed they didn't offer a DVD version that I could just go buy.