New D3D FSAA Viewer

[dr3amz]

with tempAA - so thats roughly a 50% performance hit for 6x anti aliasing

that make sense?

Can you clarify?

Are those scores "6X without T" and "6X with 2T"?

the original 15,929 was with no aa/af - low iq etc - vsync OFF
the 8,867 is with 2T (tempAA = 2 / and force 2x in drivers / sync ON / iq all set to high)

bare in mind im running slower mem than i should be (hence my stock score of 15,929 is lower than it should be - but this is also the same for the 8,867 score)

and also - the 15,600 score was with the gfx card and cpu oc'd a bit. hang on and ill upload to futuremark.

15,929 - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7736820

8,867 - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7788811

 

[Joe DeFuria]

the original 15,600 was with no aa/af - low iq etc - vsync OFF the 8,867 is with 2T (tempAA = 2 / and force 2x in drivers / sync ON / iq all set to high)

Thanks...

Can you run with "normal" 2X aa (with VSync-off), and give your results? Other useful information:

1) Monitor refresh rate
2) Actual FPS numbers from the game tests for all 3 modes.

I'd do some testing myself...but I'm at work.

 

[digitalwanderer]

You're going to have to bench your other AA with v-sync on to even begin to compare 'em.

 

[dr3amz]

You're going to have to bench your other AA with v-sync on to even begin to compare 'em.

yep you can see straight away the 8k score is limited at 100fps. (vsync = 100hz @ 1024*768)

doing now again with vsync forced on without tempaa... take it i just set tempaa in registry to 0?

ok just done - 8834 with vsync on - 2xAA on - temporalAA OFF

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7788832

 

[digitalwanderer]

Numbers for Joe, 3dm2k1se@1024x768@32bit, 100Hz refresh rate:

No v-sync, normal AA:

no AA=16,224
2xAA=14,791
4xAA=13,137
6xAA=10,470

Temporalregthingy@3

2xT3=9,252
4xT3=8,803
6xT3=7,497

4xT3 & 4xAF=8,312 and it looks freaking great! (Sorry, just got done running that one so I thought I'd add it.)

I'm liking this new AA, I'm gonna go see how it is in Painkiller. 8)

 

[MuFu]

Why are you using TemporalAAMultiplier = 3? It looks awful (although I'm fixed at 60Hz I can't believe it looks much better at 100Hz).

 

[dr3amz]

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/dr3amz/tempaa.htm

hope that makes it clearer.

 

[Joe DeFuria]

ok just done - 8834 with vsync on - 2xAA on - temporalAA OFF

Thanks again!

So, as expected, looks like "temporal" comes with no performance implications other than forcing v-sync.

Good news for me: I tend to run with v-sync enabled anyway, since I'm on a flat-panel and all tearing is painfully obvious with v-sync disabled.

Bad news for me: not clear if 60 Hz will be fast enough to hide any flickering that occurs with T AA.

 

[digitalwanderer]

Why are you using TemporalAAMultiplier = 3?

I felt like being different, it makes that FSAAViewer thingy all blinky neat.

 

[MuFu]

You crazy fool.

 

[dr3amz]

sorry, link fixed and graph works now

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/dr3amz/tempaa.htm

so to increase the aa further would be to change tempaa to 3? or to leave tempaa at 2 and ramp up AA in drivers to 4/6?

 

[Bambers]

I just ran some selected 2001se tests at 1280x960x32 6xAA 16xAF (performance) triple buffered and vsync on and there was no performance it at all from putting the temporal multiplier on (at 2 or 3)

Running at 120 or 100Hz using the temporal multiplier only seems to make the image better. This is going to be very subjective probably.

2x3t obviously looked worse than normal 4xAA but it looked better than normal 2x to me. At worst, some moving edges looked no better than 2xAA but many parts looked better.

 

[dr3amz]

I just ran some selected 2001se tests at 1280x960x32 6xAA 16xAF (performance) triple buffered and vsync on and there was no performance it at all from putting the temporal multiplier on (at 2 or 3)

agreed - just ran nature using tempaa 3 and i got 59.2fps with no visual issues etc... (2xaa set in drivers)

identical to the previous tests i did with and without tempaa.

 

[Joe DeFuria]

so to increase the aa further would be to change tempaa to 3? or to leave tempaa at 2 and ramp up AA in drivers to 4/6?

You could do either. There are different trade-offs:

1) Increasing AA in control panel to 4 or 6 will give better quality increase, but decresae performance.
2) Increasing Temp AA to 3 will not give as good a quality increase, (and possibly a decrease depending on if flicker is noticable) but with no performance hit.

 

[dr3amz]

so to increase the aa further would be to change tempaa to 3? or to leave tempaa at 2 and ramp up AA in drivers to 4/6?

You could do either. There are different trade-offs:

1) Increasing AA in control panel to 4 or 6 will give better quality increase, but decresae performance.
2) Increasing Temp AA to 3 will not give as good a quality increase, (and possibly a decrease depending on if flicker is noticable) but with no performance hit.

increasing tempaa to 3 seemed to make no difference - scoring 59.2fps in nature also (same as 2 and 2xaa)

just ran tempaa 3 and 6x aa - nature score = 36.5fps

just ran tempaa 2 and 6x aa - nature score = 36.4fps

so to me, tempaa 2 or 3 makes no difference...

 

[MuFu]

Using FSAA Viewer in fullscreen mode is by far the easiest way to see what's going on along edges, IMHO.

For me (LCD@60Hz)...

2x2T: Very slight flicker
4x2T: Flicker just detectable
6x2T: No flicker

All the 3T modes flicker badly. In games you get that "sitting on a tumble dryer" effect.

MuFu.

 

[Althornin]

so to increase the aa further would be to change tempaa to 3? or to leave tempaa at 2 and ramp up AA in drivers to 4/6?

You could do either. There are different trade-offs:

1) Increasing AA in control panel to 4 or 6 will give better quality increase, but decresae performance.
2) Increasing Temp AA to 3 will not give as good a quality increase, (and possibly a decrease depending on if flicker is noticable) but with no performance hit.

increasing tempaa to 3 seemed to make no difference - scoring 59.2fps in nature also (same as 2 and 2xaa)

just ran tempaa 3 and 6x aa - nature score = 36.5fps

just ran tempaa 2 and 6x aa - nature score = 36.4fps

so to me, tempaa 2 or 3 makes no difference...

uh...
thats what he said.

 

[StarGazer]

Pity vSync must be on (for now)...

Thanks for the benchies

 

[dr3amz]

so to increase the aa further would be to change tempaa to 3? or to leave tempaa at 2 and ramp up AA in drivers to 4/6?

You could do either. There are different trade-offs:

1) Increasing AA in control panel to 4 or 6 will give better quality increase, but decresae performance.
2) Increasing Temp AA to 3 will not give as good a quality increase, (and possibly a decrease depending on if flicker is noticable) but with no performance hit.

increasing tempaa to 3 seemed to make no difference - scoring 59.2fps in nature also (same as 2 and 2xaa)

just ran tempaa 3 and 6x aa - nature score = 36.5fps

just ran tempaa 2 and 6x aa - nature score = 36.4fps

so to me, tempaa 2 or 3 makes no difference...

uh...
thats what he said.

to me? just confirming that.

but people saying drop off in fps using 3tempaa - but there isn't any that i could see - or even a difference in image quality - again perhaps at a lower hz you'd see it, but not at 100 at least.

 

[Althornin]

so to increase the aa further would be to change tempaa to 3? or to leave tempaa at 2 and ramp up AA in drivers to 4/6?

You could do either. There are different trade-offs:

1) Increasing AA in control panel to 4 or 6 will give better quality increase, but decresae performance.
2) Increasing Temp AA to 3 will not give as good a quality increase, (and possibly a decrease depending on if flicker is noticable) but with no performance hit.

increasing tempaa to 3 seemed to make no difference - scoring 59.2fps in nature also (same as 2 and 2xaa)

just ran tempaa 3 and 6x aa - nature score = 36.5fps


just ran tempaa 2 and 6x aa - nature score = 36.4fps

so to me, tempaa 2 or 3 makes no difference...

uh...
thats what he said.

to me? just confirming that.

but people saying drop off in fps using 3tempaa - but there isn't any that i could see - or even a difference in image quality - again perhaps at a lower hz you'd see it, but not at 100 at least.

look at what Joe said:

2) Increasing Temp AA to 3 will not give as good a quality increase, (and possibly a decrease depending on if flicker is noticable) but with no performance hit.

no big deal tho.