MS to release Xbox 360 with HD-DVD in 2006
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expletive said:
What does that have to do with the discussion at hand? MemStick is just a Sony format, like SD of Compact Flash.
So now any format a company makes is evil??
Microsoft business habits are completely different. In fact, the fact that Sony are including a SD, CF and MS reader in PS3 (on top of pretty much every optical format except DVD-Audio and Laser Disc) should tell you something about the completely different approaches.
MS is trying once again to kick their competitors out of business in very questionable ways.
In the end, there will be Bluray drives in PCs whether MS want it or not, it will be just a matter of having an installation disc, which has been normal procedure since the dawn of MS. By the same token, even DVD is still not supported by Windows.... You don't expect HDDVD drives to come without installation discs, do you?
avaya said:
Its a game of chicken now with Dell and MS. Clearly Dell would be destroyed without Windows but does MS want to risk Dell pushing something like a Linux alternative and maybe seeing some success? Dell is 90% reliant on windows operating systems and not just their home computers but their entire corporate server line as well.
I dont think that either company will let it get to this though. Personally i don't see what Dell has to gain by sticking with BR and not getting on baord with the MS plan of home media servers and MCE extender 'appliances' so until i do understand that, i htink eventually Dell will eventually supoprt HD-DVD.
Interesting to see how this turns out.
mckmas8808
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expletive said:
Expletive you even mentioning that Dell will be destroyed without Windows as if this little HD movie then might keep Vista off of Dell computers is freaking horrible. Everyone knows that Dell is reliant on Windows, so why are you even bringing up the notion that they will not have it?
If MS keeps windows from Dell just because they are going strictly BD then I want lawsuits to MS for the amount of at least 1 billion dollars (seriously)!
london-boy said:
The idea is that companies, especially public ones, will use whatever competitive advantage they have. To say that MS' tactics are questionable yet Sony's arent is not being fair. If the roles were reversed Sony would hold up AACS to hurt MS, if thats even whats going on here...
No i dont think Vista will require additional software to play HD-DVDs and i'm not convinced that Vista will allow the same functionality with BR as they will with HD-DVD.
mckmas8808 said:
I'm bringing it up becuase clearly MS wants Dell to swtich to the HD-DVD consortium or we wouldnt even be having this discussion. Like i said i dont think it will come to anything like that. I was just laying out what i felt was the leverage either company has.
I would like to know though, what advantage does Dell gain by being in the BR group instead of HD-DVD? Seems like they would be a better fit in HD-DVD now with the vision MS has for the format.
The reality is, with a BD drive you can watch most of Hollywood movie releases, while with an HD-DVD drive you can't. HD-DVD sucks at writable capability too. How can you sell PCs with those drives while competitors offer BD drives? By the way, HP's support is not exclusive. Even though they offer HD-DVD models, they can't guarantee HD-DVD models outsell BD models in any way.expletive said:
mckmas8808
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expletive said:
And to add on to what 'one' said the size in GB is bigger with BD than HD-DVDs too.
I disagree. If it were true that MS is using the standards body to delay Blu-Ray would be flat out anti-consumer and anti-business. And I think Sony driving the Blu-ray work has been a typical practice of electronics companies for a while; it is their right to choose the technology that they believe is the best for their interests.expletive said:
But other than Stringer and Gates having a conversation and a quote that begins with "It is said", I don't see any direct corroboration that MS is doing anything to derail BRD, other than very typical and expected PR manuvering. And they have at least enough credibility to sway HP.
When it comes to MS, people will believe any rumor. Just count the number of them in just the last two pages. When it comes to a he said/she said reports, people tend to believe the worst.
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Does anyone know if there are different requirements for Blu-ray drives used in PCs versus those used in consumer electronic devices? I'm thinking that for Dell to support Blu-ray drives, it does not necessarily equate to viewing movies, just like you can buy a DVD drive and not have built-in capability to watch movies.one said:
Viewed from this angle, it seems obvious to me that Dell would side with the technologically superior format. Then again, HP has sited managed copies and iHD as reasons for changing their exclusivity, so movies are obviously a factor with them.
.Sis
Sis said:Both.
I haven't seen any proof that MS is holding up AACS. But if they were, it'd be wrong.
.Sis
EDIT: Also note that MS accused some Blu-ray supporters of doing like-wise in their VC-1 standards...
Fair enough!
My point wasnt that it was entirely 'fair play' to hold up AACS (again, if theyre actually doing that) but that Sony would use the same leverage if given the chance to do so.
If Microsoft use its clout in the PC space to persuade Dell to change its policy, it's against the antitrust laws.Sis said:
http://news.com.com/Microsoft,+Gateway+reach+antitrust+settlement/2100-1014_3-5662409.html
I think it'd be very tenuous argument, given that HD-DVD is not an MS product. Microsoft can still persuade other companies to do things and they can still pick technologies to focus on and they can still add things to their OS that may disadvantage a competitor in a different space. For example, the Xbox 360 can stream music, but only from PCs--Apple's OSX is not supported. Should MS be sued for this?one said:
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Sis said:
Also, Vista will likely be able to stream HD-DVD to the 360 and other stand alone MCE extenders but probably wont stream BR. So while yes, Dell could put a BR drive in a PC and load the drivers, it doesnt mean it will be as functional as an HD-DVD drive if MS doesnt want it to be.
The interface that Vista will provide for users to access all this media cant be underestimated. If BR support is not integrated/supported into that UI, it will be at huge disadvantage in the PC space.
Hardknock said:
Article:
Me paraphrasing the law:
Those two do not agree with each other. The article claims, and it is a claim not a fact, that Microsoft has no intention of seeing a HD optical format established. If that is the case their subsidization policy for HD-DVD is illegal. On the other hand Sony can readily claim that PS3 is only being subsidized in order to create a viable business since:
1) This business model is the standard practice in the industry for the past 10 years at least
2) No single part of the PS3 is being singled out for subsidization, the whole unit is.
The other debate is not really a Dell vs. Microsoft issue IMO. Consider the scenario if Hollywood comes to the conclusion that the claims against Microsoft are in fact true, it will see Microsoft as a threat to its future earnings – after all the whole HD optical market was partly invented to provide an extra revenue stream from DVD tail-off.
The upshot of this being that all content support is dropped for HD-DVD and/or those Blu-Ray exclusive studios decide never to release on HD-DVD cementing the total advantage of Blu-Ray in the most important area of all: content.
Blu-Ray still holds the cards to victory (living room, retail & Hollywood) it really is theirs to lose at the moment. Microsoft’s attempts right now are out of desperation, and if those claims are true, totally despicable.
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