MS to release Xbox 360 with HD-DVD in 2006

[expletive]

Whether such a mythical device did occur then at the very least the "HD" crowd might be interested in it - there will be no point in supporting any of the HD optical media players without changing the display output capabilties, so they would have to include HDMI/HDCP with it (which probably requires a different chip to the one they are using currently).

This isnt 100% certain. BR and HD-DVD are still deciding whether to allow their content to played over component video cables, at least in the first several years so all the existing HDTVs out there can play them. (Imagine releasing the new formats into an installed base that ONLY has the newer HDMI inputs). With all the weight MS can pull in favor HD-DVD i'm thinking allowing the 360 to stream HD-DVD from Vista and output over component might be a favor for MS theyll consider.

 

[expletive]

It may go beyond promotiong HD-DVD (with bribes) and more towards FUD against Blu-Ray and even sabotaging both if it suited their purposes:



http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6795079&&#post6795079

The EE times article also noted its interest in promoting VOD and downloads over packaged media and stopping BD-J at all costs.

And of course, it should be no surprise they want to stop any advantage the Blu-Ray drive may provide to the PS3.

MS is in a class by itself when it comes to strong-arming the competition. All the choice quotes which came out of the trial still reflects the culture over there apparently.

I'll read the whole article but i dont know how you differentiate the difference between 'bribes' and 'incentives'. Is Sony really doing anything different by taking a loss on the PS3 so they can put a BR drive in every home that has one(a PS3 that is)?

 

[mckmas8808]

Microsoft would concentrate all resources to react to the threat of the BD. We don't mind to delay the format standardization process and mess up next generation optical disc market".

This is the reason why I hate some of the thing MS does. And this is the reason why I stated that MS is scared or fearful of what Sony has in their hands with Blu-ray.

And to expletive I agree that HD-DVD movie sells will raise with more people buying HD-DVD enabled Vista MCE computers. But my point was what happens if the same company has Blu-ray also available and the user can choose which player to put in their machine?

Things of that nature was more of my point.

 

[wco81]

I'll read the whole article but i dont know how you differentiate the difference between 'bribes' and 'incentives'. Is Sony really doing anything different by taking a loss on the PS3 so they can put a BR drive in every home that has one(a PS3 that is)?

It's one thing to subsidize or offer economic incentives/guarantees to make a deal.

It's another to actively block or sabotage someone else's venture.

Remember the trial and cutting off Netscape's air supply?

Well with a key role in AACS, they can delay the finalization of AACS even if it hurt both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. In fact, HD-DVD launch has been delayed several times already. It was to go in the fall and then in December in Japan. Now they're saying first quarter.

Surprise suprise, AACS isn't finalized yet.

 

[wco81]

I'll read the whole article but i dont know how you differentiate the difference between 'bribes' and 'incentives'. Is Sony really doing anything different by taking a loss on the PS3 so they can put a BR drive in every home that has one(a PS3 that is)?

It's one thing to subsidize or offer economic incentives/guarantees to make a deal.

It's another to actively block or sabotage someone else's venture. It's the difference between competing on the merits of your product/technology and trying to derail a competitor's product/technology.

Remember the trial and cutting off Netscape's air supply? If HD-DVD really was superior as they claim on the merits, they wouldn't have to use such underhanded tactics.

Well with a key role in AACS, they can delay the finalization of AACS even if it hurt both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. In fact, HD-DVD launch has been delayed several times already. It was to go in the fall and then in December in Japan. Now they're saying first quarter.

Surprise suprise, AACS isn't finalized yet.

 

[AlphaWolf]

It's one thing to subsidize or offer economic incentives/guarantees to make a deal.

It's another to actively block or sabotage someone else's venture.

How does anything MS is doing sabotage blu-ray? It makes HD-DVD a more appealing product, it sounds exactly the same as subsidizing blu-ray in the PS3 to me.

 

[one]

How does anything MS is doing sabotage blu-ray? It makes HD-DVD a more appealing product, it sounds exactly the same as subsidizing blu-ray in the PS3 to me.

VC-1, iHD/BD-J inclusion and AACS. MS can delay them to sabotage both Blu-ray and HD-DVD.

I saw that article's scan too, it's very funny that Amir Majidimehr posts at AVSforum and is confronted with other people over what he's supposed to have said!

 

[wco81]

And he posts there as a fellow AV enthusiast, not someone there to advance his company's agenda.

If MS does sabotage both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, how does that square with being an enthusiast?

 

[expletive]

And he posts there as a fellow AV enthusiast, not someone there to advance his company's agenda.

If MS does sabotage both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, how does that square with being an enthusiast?

His companies agenda is for him to not make them look like a bunch of criminals.

Seriously though if we knew half the shit that any of these large companies do we'd probably never buy their stuff again. THey all do this stuff and trying to claim one is worse than another is just an exercise in futility.

 

[one]

His companies agenda is for him to not make them look like a bunch of criminals.

Seriously though if we knew half the shit that any of these large companies do we'd probably never buy their stuff again. THey all do this stuff and trying to claim one is worse than another is just an exercise in futility.

Yep, as futile as Steve Ballmer throwing a chair to a guy moving to Google. Consumers are not only individual persons, but corporations such as PC manufacturers are also consumers. "Never buy their stuff again" can't be their choice. Microsoft and another monopolistic fellow in the HD-DVD camp are well known to have big influence over corporate customers.

 

[wco81]

Or how about Gates cornering and confronting Stringer?

For all their money, why are these people so strident and abrasive?

 

[Sis]

Or how about Gates cornering and confronting Stringer?

For all their money, why are these people so strident and abrasive?

What's the story about Gates cornering Stringer? Did Gates take his lunch money?

.Sis

 

[mckmas8808]

His companies agenda is for him to not make them look like a bunch of criminals.

Seriously though if we knew half the shit that any of these large companies do we'd probably never buy their stuff again. THey all do this stuff and trying to claim one is worse than another is just an exercise in futility.

If MS is holding out on finishing AACS because Blu-ray is not accepting i-HD then yes I think that's criminal and worst than anything most normal corporations would do.

 

[avaya]

What's the story about Gates cornering Stringer? Did Gates take his lunch money?

.Sis

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/oct2005/tc2005106_9074_tc024.htm

Anyway it seems like Dell is still holding out steadfastly and sticking with the BDA.

Microsoft’s underlying rationale for getting involved in this was entirely predictable. I would think the lawyers are pretty much chomping at the bit to have a go.

CES could well be a fatal PR blitz to the HD-DVD promotions group. The Blu-Ray presence there is pretty substantial while HD-DVD seems innocuous – as it has been since the very start of this silly war.

 

[Hardknock]

This is the reason why I hate some of the thing MS does. And this is the reason why I stated that MS is scared or fearful of what Sony has in their hands with Blu-ray.

You hate MS for being competitive? Give me a break.

 

[avaya]

You hate MS for being competitive? Give me a break.

This isn’t being competitive:

Microsoft would concentrate all resources to react to the threat of the BD. We don't mind to delay the format standardization process and mess up next generation optical disc market".

This is called destroying consumer sovereignty, by actively choosing to sabotage a competitor’s solution in order to gain a future monopoly in the HD media market. It’s a position that is entirely at odds from the idea of “competitiveâ€￾.

This where the road gets rocky for Microsoft. They can legitimately offer their subsidies to OEMS to bundle HD-DVD in their PC's if they can argue that the only reason for the subsidy is to create a viable business and product. This doesn't seem to be the case at all.

 

[Hardknock]

And what's the difference between MS offering subsidies and Sony selling PS3 at a significant loss to get more Blu-Ray players into homes?

 

[Hardknock]

And by the way. It's HD-DVD that was created and is backed by the official DVD consortium. This group was made so that there would be no more format wars, thus quicker adoption. Sony went behind this forums back(which Sony is also a member) and created Blu-Ray for their own personal gain(bigger chunk of the royalty pie) not for consumer's benefit. HD-DVD, the only officially endorsed format, is going to be released first. Sony could have easily backed HD-DVD aswell, yet they are going to include Blu-Ray in every PS3 and sell it at a loss. Now who's sabotaging who here?

 

[zidane1strife]

Blu-ray is the future you cannot fight it and hope to win. If MS tries any more of their little shenanigans, they might see themselves split up the middle this time, heheh.

20+M ps3s in under 12months will permanently bury HD-DVD.

 

[mckmas8808]

And what's the difference between MS offering subsidies and Sony selling PS3 at a significant loss to get more Blu-Ray players into homes?

Hardknock I'm talking about if MS purposely holds out on not compeleting their part of AACS just to spite the Blu-ray group. They have said on the record that they will hold up both HD-DVD and Blu-ray if they have too.

This is what I call foul play. Not bundling HD-DVD with Vista.