winstonsmith1978
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scooby_dooby said:
the only problem with your setup is that it's cheaper minus the 360. all you need is a computer with blu-ray, dvi cable and an lcd screen. I'm not sure why a 360 is needed in this setup.
MS to release Xbox 360 with HD-DVD in 2006
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the only problem with your setup is that it's cheaper minus the 360. all you need is a computer with blu-ray, dvi cable and an lcd screen. I'm not sure why a 360 is needed in this setup.
...or PC, if you could replace both of them with a PS3 or a dedicated BR/HD-DVD player...oops
my 2 cents only (don't kill me)
not to sound like i'm vigorously rubbing it in...
if you take a business view of things...
if putting a HD-DVD on the X360 would cater to a greater magnitude of potential of consumers...
at the cost of pissing off the early adopters (me included)...
they might just do it...
if it would mean getting a bigger share of the videogaming pie.
SIDENOTE: Although if you look at the warranty thing that's packed with the X360 manual, If you get their warranty and a newer model of X360 comes out, you can probably trade yours in for the newer version of console... since it kind of says there. But don't take my word for it... check with them.
BTW, This is not strictly directly at MS...
just used them as an example...
obviously, any company would most likely do this if it would mean greater success to their much touted products...
not to sound like i'm vigorously rubbing it in...
if you take a business view of things...
if putting a HD-DVD on the X360 would cater to a greater magnitude of potential of consumers...
at the cost of pissing off the early adopters (me included)...
it would be like:
100M potential consumers going...
"ZOMFG!!! HD-DVD is teh Uber upgrade. It's newer and better than the original!!! Take that BLU-RAY!!! MUST BUY NEW AND IMPROVED X360!!!"
While 1.5M-3M early adapters going...
"AAAWWW SHIT!!! I just bought this thing
they might just do it...
if it would mean getting a bigger share of the videogaming pie.
SIDENOTE: Although if you look at the warranty thing that's packed with the X360 manual, If you get their warranty and a newer model of X360 comes out, you can probably trade yours in for the newer version of console... since it kind of says there. But don't take my word for it... check with them.
BTW, This is not strictly directly at MS...
just used them as an example...
obviously, any company would most likely do this if it would mean greater success to their much touted products...
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Adding a HD-DVD drive is not a catalyst to success. Its a barely supported format thats suffered numerous delays and lost the complete support of its major backer (Warner). It would also raise the price of the console, confuse consumers, and hint that the X360 as-is is rushed.LunchBox said:
Its not going to happen, but if it did, big mistake.
Nicked said:
I'm not saying they will...
All I'm saying is if it's feasable for them to, they would
It was just a "what if" example...
hence the use of "would" and "if" and that disclaimer saying it's just an example.
but yeah, i agree, for HD-DVD to become the true successor of DVD, they would need to be heavily supported by the movie studios.
Heh, I read it as "if they do it they would [...]" instead of "they would if [...]". My bad.LunchBox said:I'm not saying they will...
All I'm saying is if it's feasable for them to, they would
It was just a "what if" example...
hence the use of "would" and "if" and that disclaimer saying it's just an example.
It's being denied by MS in Japan now, apparently this article reports that:
http://www.glep.jp/news_347.html
http://www.glep.jp/news_347.html
All the signs point to an additional HD-DVD version of X360 being released to coincide with the PS3 launch. The average gamer wouldn't be aware that Blu Ray is destined to be the dominant format.
MS might be aiming to poison the HiDef movie market by confusing the buyers. That way, neither format succeeds. If this sounds ridiculous, you need to consider what MS tried to do to Java - basically the same strategy.
I think MS would benefit greatly by doing this:
- Xbox360 perceived to be as functional as PS3
- Limited production of HD-DVD version saves production costs.
- Damage Sony investment in BluRay by killing the market in its infancy.
MS might be aiming to poison the HiDef movie market by confusing the buyers. That way, neither format succeeds. If this sounds ridiculous, you need to consider what MS tried to do to Java - basically the same strategy.
I think MS would benefit greatly by doing this:
- Xbox360 perceived to be as functional as PS3
- Limited production of HD-DVD version saves production costs.
- Damage Sony investment in BluRay by killing the market in its infancy.
They'd be hurting only themselves, I can imagine customers getting very angry when their BD disc doesn't play on xbox360 HD-DVD edition.
They would need to be a very strong market leader in consoles if they would hope to "poison the Hi def movie market" and thus make the HD-DVD the more succesful standard.
And don't underestimate the average customer, those who are going to buy high definition movies will find out sooner or later what is their format of choice.
The BD and HD-DVD are not going to come to us without any marketing for sure
They would need to be a very strong market leader in consoles if they would hope to "poison the Hi def movie market" and thus make the HD-DVD the more succesful standard.
And don't underestimate the average customer, those who are going to buy high definition movies will find out sooner or later what is their format of choice.
The BD and HD-DVD are not going to come to us without any marketing for sure
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Well its just saying something is wrong with the console and get a new one and i hope everyone that bought one will do so or either get some "bonus" stuff.
Do the price drops that traditionally come a little into the lifetime of a console signal that things are wrong or piss off early adopters?
Wasn't the original xbox heavily discounted very soon after launch (weeks?), and the early adopters were compensated with a choice of couple of games from a selection of few.
It happened at least here, am not sure about the rest of the world... I think it was at least EU wide.
Don't really know if it had a negative impact on the image or not, at least it must had been soon forgotten and forgiven.
Sorry 'bout going slightly off topic...
It happened at least here, am not sure about the rest of the world... I think it was at least EU wide.
Don't really know if it had a negative impact on the image or not, at least it must had been soon forgotten and forgiven.
Sorry 'bout going slightly off topic...
And yet, its a simple fact of life that it happens. Should, at some point in time, they choose to further extend the line by having another option at a higher price with more capabilities I then don't see that as a lack of confidence, but another option with more capabilities - much like the PSX; CE goods like DVD players get upgraded on a yearly basis adding more functionality but still doing the same basic thing. The likelyhood is that the main seller will still be the equivelent of the Premium pack as that would be penetrating into lower price points.
Yep, I agree. I don't see it as shafting the customer if a HD_DVD model would be introdced even when the console is still only few months old.
The HD-DVD model would very likely cost a bit more than the core or premium packs, so it wouldn't be the early adopters will feel they've been cheated by MS giving them that much less for the same money.
The problem is I just don't see who would buy one, not many bought PSX either if one wants to take it into comparison.
The HD-DVD model would very likely cost a bit more than the core or premium packs, so it wouldn't be the early adopters will feel they've been cheated by MS giving them that much less for the same money.
The problem is I just don't see who would buy one, not many bought PSX either if one wants to take it into comparison.
Whether such a mythical device did occur then at the very least the "HD" crowd might be interested in it - there will be no point in supporting any of the HD optical media players without changing the display output capabilties, so they would have to include HDMI/HDCP with it (which probably requires a different chip to the one they are using currently).
If MS are planning to release a HD-DVD xbox they should have disclosed these plans before launch. They should have given customers a choice. Right now the messages from MS are mixed. They are denying HD-DVD plans and at the same time they have hinted that this may happan after all.
I guess most early adopters would be pissed. Who wants to be stuck with an inferior product for 5 years when they could have waited a little while for the real deal?
I guess most early adopters would be pissed. Who wants to be stuck with an inferior product for 5 years when they could have waited a little while for the real deal?
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